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"Only as he entered adulthood did Thyestes reveal the truth to Aegisthus, that he was both father and uncle to the boy." By my calculations Thyestes is both father and grandfather to the boy... am I right? Mat334 20:09, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I don't think this is true, he's the boy's father and the boy's uncle -> uncle because Thyestes is Atreus's brother. (?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.139.102 (talk) 20:41, 21 October 2008

I disagree. Thyestes is both father and grandfather to Aegisthus, because he slept with his own daughter, Pelopia. Both Atreus and Thyestes commit crimes worthy of their wicked grandfathers, Tantalus father of Pelops, and Oinomaios, father of Hippodamia. Atreus kills his brother's children and serves them in a meal to Thyestes - this is reminiscent of Tantalus's attempt to kill his son Pelops (the father of Atreus and Thyestes). Thyestes rapes Pelopia, as Oinomaios repeatedly raped Hippodamia. (UTC)

The article needs to have simple changes done to it such as formatting. I mean that when i look at the article i find it ascetically displeasing. (Rolacey (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2015 (UTC))[reply]

The article should have more information about the play, such as what the play as actually about, instead of just diferent plays that exist about Thyestes were their origins. Jlehmann2 (talk) 21:15, 14 October 2015 (UTC) I added information about the Chorus because it is an important part of Senecan plays since it acts as a narrator. Jlehmann2 (talk) 21:26, 21 October 2015 (UTC) For week 4 I did not find a lot of things to change. Because the myth is about Thyestes and it is the title of the article, I changed the focus of the paragraph under the section about the myth to Thyestes. The paragraph originally started with "Atreus," but that made it seem like the focus should have been about Atreus. Also, I separated the short part about the Chorus from the rest of the paragraph because it was unrelated. Other than that I made very few grammar changes. My group and I decided that besides what we decided to fix, the grammar in the article is fine. Jlehmann2 (talk) 23:59, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article should include information about the playwright, Seneca, and his influences on other works. Instead of "myth," the section should be "plot" and focus more on the aspects of the play rather than the background mythology. Cheesemanj (talk) 21:23, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I added information about the influence of Seneca on other playwrights and how Thyestes started the trend of revenge tragedy plays. Even popular playwrights, such as Shakespeare have been inspired. Cheesemanj (talk) 21:26, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For week three, the given information regarding Caryl Churchill's rendition of the play Thyestes was false, and the source that the online library provided contradicted this information. I just updated it and removed the false information. (Rolacey (talk) 21:39, 21 October 2015 (UTC))[reply]

I added to the opening paragraph so that it was more focused on Seneca's role in the revenge tragedy genre. Cheesemanj (talk) 20:06, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I added more information about the Chorus to complete the section and give sort of a basic summary about what the Chorus is. Jlehmann2 (talk) 15:21, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review: I like the intro paragraph, it added an introduction that would otherwise be lacking by jumping into the summary. I do not like the way the summary is structured. The paragraphs are too short and could be grouped differently to improve the structure. I believe it was a good idea to add a section about the chorus, however I think it might be better in it's own sub-section with a header. Perhaps you could link to an outside article regarding the chorus? The article just has minor adjustments to be made such as structure and maybe a little more information. Kellyvolland (talk) 00:06, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I added a section in "Myth" about Thyestes' parents and how they got him cursed. (****) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rolacey (talk • contribs) 23:46, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fairclothr (talk) 02:39, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Peer review: I found the additions to this page valuable, as they provide an easy-to-understand approach to the complexities of Greek mythology. I also felt that the group was diligent with their links to related Wiki-pages, which helped guide the readings well, similar to how more complex wiki pages dictate. However, I didn't agree with how lightly the Senecan representation was touched upon, as it was an important part of this course's acedemia. If more information was added, perhaps 2-3 more sentences per literary inspiration, the section would feel more complete. --Fairclothr (talk) 02:39, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It seems odd ...

It seems a bit odd that Aeschyclus's Agamemnon is listed in the Influences in Literature section, considering the play was written centuries before Seneca was even born. They're connected, but through mythology rather than literary influence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:4504:9E80:5D66:1499:B52C:13D7 (talk) 16:56, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved that sentence on Seneca to section just above, where I assume it was intended to be. Paul August ☎ 17:10, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First and second picture, which is the same, has no description, only the names of two of the characters depicted. Furthermore, there is nothing regarding the artist who painted it or it’s title, if any.

See above Dtss2017 (talk) 18:04, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Key plot point missing

“When Agamemnon left Mycenae for the Trojan War, Aegisthus seduced Agamemnon's wife, Clytemnestra, and the couple plotted to kill her husband upon his return. They succeeded, killing Agamemnon and his new concubine, Cassandra. Clytemnestra and Aegisthus had three children: Aletes, Erigone, and Helen who died as an infant.”

Iphegenia’s murder, at the hands of her father, Agamemnon, is a crucial, and sole reason for the murder of Agamemnon, upon his return from the Trojan war. This is missing and, imho, the only reason why Clytemnestra takes up with Aegisthus. Dtss2017 (talk) 18:21, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]