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Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2024

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Ok, the statement that "At the 2014 EP election, UKIP won the most seats in the UK, pressuring David Cameron to call the 2016 EU membership referendum" is hilarious but also wildly misleading.


The second part of the lead section detailing Farage's election results mixes domestic and European elections, which is obscured by the bizarre abbreviation of European Parliament to EP, resulting in wildly misleading sentences like "At the 2014 EP election, UKIP won the most seats in the UK".

EP is not a common abbreviation for European Parliament in the UK (the EP disambiguation pages lists over a hundred meanings) and as the quoted sentence is sandwiched between sentences about the general election (the one that most people have heard of), it seems a deliberate attempt to imply that UKIP have ever won a domestic election - or at best, to hide the fact that they've never won a single seat.

Obviously, I propose removing the EP abbreviation, which I think most people assume is a type of record, and separating the domestic from European election results.

(This is presumably related to the fact that the UKIP Wikipedia page [UKIP] lead is full of unsourced claims like the fantastic general election results they got in 2013 and 2015 - how on earth was this allowed?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moubliezpas (talkcontribs) 11:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct that EP is a WP:NEOLOGISM that simply isn't used by anyone, and I've changed that. However I see nothing wrong with putting the facts in chronological order that he lost in general elections and his party did better in European elections. The page David Cameron, for example, doesn't separate elections/referendums by which he succeeded in, and not. Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect Farage riots has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 6 § Farage riots until a consensus is reached. Jay 💬 08:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple repetition of same statement

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There are atleast three references in separate sections about Farage receiving over £ 1mil. a year from his work on the GB News television channel. Apart from some misleading statements and my questioning of the relevance of this fact, I doubt it is needed to mention this at least 3 times in three different sections. Reading the article it sounds like an accusation of wrong-doing instead of a mere fact statement. 2A02:2454:7D24:6B00:B1C9:3861:3CB3:404F (talk) 20:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear single-edit-anon-IP-editor-geolocating-to-Berlin, as far as I can see, the figure of £1m was mentioned only once, at the end of the "Personal life" section. But thank you for highlighting this. This is so much more than most MPs earn that I think it's quite notable and so, on this basis, I have now added it to the lead section. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's at least four times now - as £1.2m twice and as £1m twice (including once in the lead). -- DeFacto (talk). 21:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone want to go for a fifth? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC) p.s. what are the "some misleading statements"?[reply]
Well I think the fairest mentioning happens under GB News section, where context about the income is provided from Farage.
That context is missing in the "Member of Parliament" section as well as in the last paragraph of the "personal life" section leading to believe it is net income. (apart from being superfluous) 2A02:2454:7D24:6B00:E0A7:E8AB:CF91:FEFB (talk) 19:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's entirely relevant to the "Member of Parliament" section, as it was revealed as part of his obligation to the Register of Members' Financial Interests, once he entered parliament. Otherwise no-one else might ever know. Additionally, the estimate that the sum is "significantly higher than that of any other member of parliament", is what makes it notable, and why I think it also belongs in the lead section. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]