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Is this the guy who invented the test? Kenneth H. Cooper? http://www.cooperaerobics.com/Corporate/BioKenCooper.aspx

Yup, it seems so. --Dyss 15:01, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

'The new aerobics' circa 1972 I think. Cooper also makes it clear there that the test is grounded in a comparison with VO2max data (correlation of about 0.9 or so) It would be good to have some data extending the table at the upper age range. The minimum exercise recommendations (30 points a week) and in particular the '10,000 steps' scheme are also grounded in this work.

Linuxlad 11:12, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

There's quite a good site with a lot of exercise correlations at http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk

I'll ask him if he'll take a link. Linuxlad 10:19, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What is the table for experienced seniors used for? The values look quite high to me. --Pe3 23:43, 5 May 2005

I think it is supposed to mean "expereinced runners." It would be an extraordinary feat for a senior citizen to run 3700 metres in twelve minutes. --Crucible Guardian 04:48, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well yes... In Uk road & cross-country, the male cats are junior men (16-18 IIRC), senior men, Vets - v40+, vets v50...

Changes?

It seems when you look at the patterns og the figures for good, bad, average and so forth, that the Female interval for the age group 15-16 in the Average level box should be reading 1700-1999 meters in stead of 1900-1999 meters !? Can anyone confirm this? I'm not familiar with the exact figures of the Cooper Test. I was just reading the article and wondered.

BR Erik Mortensen

It also seems that the numbers for experienced senior are very ambitious, compared to the number for 20-30 years (usually the physical peak performace years)

Jan

Er in UK 'senior men' includes these same peak years (ie post 18, pre veterancy). Senior is not, in this context, a euphemism for OAP! Linuxlad 10:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

Well I did my best but I am not a native english speaker, so bare with me, and please change it so it gets more readable =) It'd also be good if someone could find some other tables, these are taken from the internet without even mentioning the source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.247.126.165 (talk) 23:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC). Sorry forgot signing (damn that bot is quick) -- 89.247.126.165 23:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The bottom table shows values for "athletes". Please someone make it unambigous whether this word here refers to "a person who is very good at sports or physical exercise, especially one who competes in organized events", or to specifically to sportsperson of "a particular group of competitive sports, including running, jumping and throwing" (that is, athletics). 84.3.45.171 (talk) 23:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think what you are saying relates to the difference in usage of the term "athletics". In the U.S. it refers to sport in general, and in most of the world otherwise, specifically to track and field. As for which meaning was intended in the case of the bottom table, I hope we will hear from someone (not I) who can answer that with authority. Clearly it refers to a group or population with an exceptional level of aerobic capacity or development. Thanks for raising the question. Hertz1888 (talk) 01:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would think, since Cooper is an American, the use of the terms would be the more general American usage. I would also guess that "experienced athlete" refers to athletes in the American sense who compete at the higher levels, in the US, these would be college, professional, and Olympic competitors. The first supposition is very likely to be true, given Cooper's nationality; the latter a bit more uncertain. Wschart (talk) 13:41, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Experienced athletes

What is actually meant by „experienced athletes“ and where is this table used? According to the differences (3000 metres is very good for „athletes“, but bad for „experienced athletes“), it seems to be some national team (or primary schools in Kenya)... --Zik2 (talk) 23:06, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Source of the distances table

There is no source for the table with the distances, and the introductory text suggests that it's an example.

Could anybody provide a sourced, reputable set of values, such as official figures from the military, or a national school system?

Thanks 78.134.45.131 (talk) 15:57, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Practical

Added "practical" section to show practical use of test. It works fine with a small cohort on a track or individuals on a treadmill, but is unsuited to processing large amounts of people.

For the USMC+USArmy your pay+promotion is dependant on your performance so getting an accurate measure is important. Invigilation is very hard because tracks aren't calibrated down to the last metre.

A mere "supervisor" is somebody who would ensure that they ran round the track. An "invigilator" is one who would ensure that they ran exactly the distance they claimed.

But as it says in the article a "reverse-Cooper" can be easily run with a few PTIs and a stopwatch. So one can easily do the whole battalion in an afternoon. Battalion = ~300-1200 soldiers. Without electronic timing a timekeeper can be overwhelmed with finishing athletes so the testing is done in waves, typically by company or even platoon to keep the numbers small enough.

Frontmech (talk) 11:55, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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US Marines expect you to be faster tha the world fastest man over 5000 meters...? 3 miles in 12 minutes? Or they run 3 miles at what ever time the USMAC decides? Clarification and convertion to only KM or miles maybe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.66.100.152 (talk) 19:57, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The distance after 12 minutes for the (current) wr holder in the 5000m

Dear all,

"For comparison the 5000 meters world record of Kenenisa Bekele is 12:37.35.[4] This means that in 12 minutes he would reach a distance of around 4750 meters."
Quote from the article

That's not accurate, because for twice the distance you need:

T₂=T₁×(D₂÷D₁)^1.06

T₁ is the time achieved for D₁.
T₂ is the time predicted for D₂.
D₁ is the distance over which the initial time is achieved.
D₂ is the distance for which the time is to be predicted.

Another way to say this is, would he reach (6 minutes) 4750m/2= 2375m?. No he would cover more distance than that. See also here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Riegel

Could pls someone confirm my analysis?
--Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 13:52, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sillyfolkboy, could you please confirm/reject my analysis? Regards Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 10:58, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Da Vinci Nanjing: Sports science isn't my strong suit so I can't really comment. Still, I'm not sure how this approach improves the article. We should be collating publicly-discussed benefits and drawbacks of the Cooper test model vs other models like Riegel's (e.g.[1]), not doing our own calculations to highlight issues. The purpose of Wikipedia is to gather existing knowledge, not create entirely new knowledge. SFB 13:40, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cooper spelling

The test is spelled in two different ways: cooper test / Cooper test 80.208.67.49 (talk) 15:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]