Talk:Oswald Pohl

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I am sorry, but the sentence "In 1944, Pohl was put out of charge of the concentration camps, with the Rüstungsministerium (ministry of armament) overtaking" is a terrible simplification. Sounds as if Pohl claimed that while undergoing trial ... -- P. Witte 23:37, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Isn't this article a little one-sided? Please consider Chapter 16 of 'The Himmler Brothers' [Katrin Himmler, Macmillan, 2007] which describes Pohl's own defense at Nuremberg in 1947, and the protests at his death sentence from hundreds of individuals, including the West German President and the Pope. Even if misguided, surely this amount of support requires acknowledgment and some attempt at an explanation? 122.57.185.99 (talk) 09:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

The official Nuremberg transcripts state that the presiding judge at Pohl's trial was under the impression that Pohl killed all his victims using steam. 159.105.80.103 (talk) 11:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

That's the problem with mock trials phony evidence, lead to wrongful convictions. It seems as if Pohl was under investigation for corruption related charges by the SS. That witness (Dr. Reinecke) also testified that he only learned about "extermination of Jews" after the war. Wikipedia authors need really do some research on the primary, documentary evidence and circumstances, before posting an article. --165.143.22.202 (talk) 14:32, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Suspected copyvio

Please see the comparison to JewishVirtualLibrary (JVL). JVL is a content farm so it's feasible that they copied over content from Wikipedia, although their "sources" (at the bottom) do not list Wikipedia as a source.

I suggest removing the offending content, which is unsourced or sourced to JVL. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:21, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Belated agreement. I have seen where JVL does list Wikipedia as a source on some of their pages. Kierzek (talk) 18:09, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Last words

A number of articles of executed Nazi war criminals also state their last words. The article for the Nuremberg executions have their own column for final statements.

Ernst Kaltenbrunner said “I have loved my German people and my fatherland with a warm heart. I have done my duty by the laws of my people and I am sorry my people were led this time by men who were not soldiers and that crimes were committed of which I had no knowledge.”

Wilhelm Frick said “Long live eternal Germany.”

Fritz Sauckel said “I am dying innocent. The sentence is wrong. God protect Germany and make Germany great again. Long live Germany! God protect my family.”

Julius Streicher’s article even mentions that before mounting the scaffold, he yelled “Heil Hitler!”

It’s not just the Nuremberg defendants either.

The article for Gerhard Flesch also says he yelled out “Heil Hitler” moments before he was executed for his crimes.

The article for Adolf Eichmann gives his final statement as well:

“Long live Germany. Long live Argentina. Long live Austria. These are the three countries with which I have been most connected and which I will not forget. I greet my wife, my family and my friends. I am ready. We'll meet again soon, as is the fate of all men. I die believing in God.”

I think you’re starting to see my point. Each of these men, were directly responsible, facilitated or otherwise complicit in, or, in Streicher’s case, incited, mass murder.

In their final statements, each of these men showed a complete lack of remorse for what they had done and continued to exhibit their fanaticism. Some of them outright maintained their innocence despite overwhelming evidence. And yet, their final words are still mentioned in their respective articles.

Under these circumstances, I see no reason not to make an exception for Oswald Pohl. I don’t understand how including his final statement is a glorification, but I suppose I can see how others would come to that.

That said, unless you are willing to take down the final statements from every article I have listed, it’s just hypocrisy.

Personally, I think it's extremely important to include the statements of these men (and women). It helps show just how committed to their cause they were, and that even in death, their belief in Nazism did not budge.

Lightiggy (talk) 02:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough. Your contribution has been added and cited in the same format as the rest of the page. Although to be honest, I would just as soon delete all of them. For this reason: Did anyone record the "last words" of their millions of victims? --Obenritter (talk) 11:32, 15 August 2022 (UTC)