Talk:Oleksandr Moroz

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I'm not sure if I understand the phraze "a self-nominated candidate [...] nominated by the Socialist Party of Ukraine".

Did he as the parties chairman nominate himself in the name of the party?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.76.33.66 (talk) 12:32, 8 January 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's a mistake. Self-nomination and party nomination are legally different ways of nominating a candidate. Moroz was nominated by SPU (according to the Central Election Commission of Ukraine).

Sashazlv 00:36, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Autobiography

Please, feel free to translate and reorganize the article. Sashazlv 00:43, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

АВТОБІОГРАФІЯ кандидата на пост Президента України

Я, Мороз Олександр Олександрович, народився 29 лютого 1944 року в селі Буда Таращанського району Київської області в багатодітній селянській родині.

Громадянин України.

У 1960 році закінчив середню школу. Маю вищу освіту. В 1965 році отримав кваліфікацію інженера-механіка, закінчивши Українську сільськогосподарську академію. У 1983 році закінчив Вищу партійну школу, отримавши диплом з відзнакою за спеціальністю політологія. За направленням працював інженером в Ємільчинській райсільгосптехніці Житомирської області. Звідти, у 1965 призвався на строкову військову службу. Служив солдатом у військах протиповітряної оборони. Після звільнення в запас у 1966 році працював викладачем і завідуючим відділенням Таращанського радгоспу-технікуму. Займав інженерні посади в Таращанському районному та Київському обласному об’єднаннях “Сільгосптехніка”. В 1976 році затверджений завідуючим сектором Київського обкому партії, згодом – заступником завідуючого відділом обкому. В 1989 році завідував аграрним відділом обкому партії.

В 1983 – 1989 роках обирався секретарем обласної ради профспілок, першим секретарем партійного комітету обласних організацій та установ. З 2004 року – Почесний голова Всеукраїнської спілки “Діти війни”. З 1990 року – народний депутат України. Був секретарем, заступником Голови Комісії, у 1994 – 1998 роках – Головою Верховної Ради України, у 1998 – 2000 роках – Головою Комітету Верховної Ради України з питань агропромислового комплексу та земельних відносин. Голова фракції Соціалістичної партії України.

Член Соціалістичної партії України, її голова.

Одружений. Дружина – Мороз Валентина Андріївна, інвалід І групи.

Маю двох дочок та п’ятеро онуків, які проживають окремо.

В Україні проживаю з дня народження, в тому числі з 1991 року.

Судимостей не маю.

4 липня 2004 року—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sashazlv (talk • contribs) 00:43, 9 January 2005 (UTC)[reply]

PR piece

From the article: Deftly, Moroz used the crisis to force through some long-wanted changes to the Ukrainian constitution, changes that made Ukraine a parliamentary and not a presidential republic. This proposal, pushed by Moroz and Petro Simonenko, was Moroz's price for continued backing for Yushchenko and for the revote through the crisis. The new constitution went into effect in January 2006, despite Yushchenko's furious opposition. This article seems to have been written by SPU PR people. Shame! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaned up the article! It still needs fact but I don't like him enough to spend my time on it :) Mariah-Yulia (talk) 01:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 February 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved as requested, per the discussion below; the hatnote at the top of the article should likely remain. Dekimasuよ! 07:04, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oleksandr Moroz (politician) → Oleksandr Moroz – Who exactly are we distinguishing him from? Charles Essie (talk) 17:13, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The uncertainty dates back to this move: 23:05, 28 February 2017‎ Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (19,245 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Aleksandr Grigoryev moved page Oleksandr Moroz to Oleksandr Moroz (politician). Further confusion results from the Alexander Moroz disambiguation page which lists Alexander Moroz (chess player), Ukrainian chess Grandmaster and Oleksandr Moroz, Ukrainian statesman and politician. The chess grandmaster is listed under the Anglicized form of his given name and the statesman is listed under the Ukrainian form. If the grandmaster's main title header is moved to Oleksandr Moroz (chess player), the uncertainty would be resolved and no further moves would be needed, other than to move the dab page main title header to Oleksandr Moroz, but not create a duplicate page, as was attempted here. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 20:00, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This reverses the undiscussed move of last year. I've just added a hatnote per WP:TWODABS to avoid confusion with the chess player. The articles' English language refs generally use Oleksandr for the politician and Alexander for the chess player. Station1 (talk) 00:17, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But the WP:MOVE last year didn't need to be discussed because it was justified in books and newspapers, therefore (politician) is needed per WP:CRITERIA and @Aleksandr Grigoryev: was correct. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:46, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the move didn't need to be discussed. I'm all in favor of bold moves done in good faith. I mentioned it only because once an undiscussed bold move is reasonably challenged by another editor, the usual course of action is to return to the previous stable title unless consensus is established for the undiscussed move. Station1 (talk) 07:52, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. A concurrent move request at Talk:Alexander Moroz (chess player)#Requested move 26 February 2018 is also aimed at removal of the parenthetical qualifier, thus enabling both subjects to have main title headers without the need for disambiguation. The Alexander Moroz disambiguation page can be eliminated since main headers of the articles for both men will carry explanatory hatnotes. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 04:26, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like the best way to go. I've added my support at the other article. Station1 (talk) 06:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Alexander Moroz refers to the politician so if he's going to be at Ukrainian spelling and the chess player isn't then WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT still applies and (politician) is still necessary. @Charles Essie: are you sure the chess player is never spelled with Ukrainian spelling in sources? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:12, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- This makes no sense. WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT says nothing about which of the two should be the title and which the redirect - that's all WP:AT. --В²C ☎ 23:12, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The late chess grandmaster played on the international scene and thus Anglicized his given name. Almost all the references to him in English-language media will be as "Alexander". On the other hand, the Ukrainian statesman is a major player on the political scene in his native country (his entry appears in 14 Wikipedias), with his name rendered in its native form, "Oleksandr". Redirects, primary and otherwise, are fine, but there is no need for appending parenthetical disambiguators to either Alexander Moroz, the chess master or Oleksandr Moroz, the statesman, since each can stand alone with a hatnote pointing to the other one. A Ukrainian-born Soviet footballer and a Russian ship captain who rescued drowning migrants, neither of whom has an English Wikipedia entry, have been mentioned (the footballer's sole Wikipedia entry is in the Russian Wikipedia), but since the Russian form of this given name is "Aleksandr", the currently existing Alexander Moroz disambiguation page can be moved to Aleksandr Moroz, with all possessors of the name, in all its forms, listed there. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 10:09, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Quintessential unnecessary disambiguation as indicated by the fact that Oleksandr Moroz already redirects here. And a WP:TROUT to Aleksandr Grigoryev for that undiscussed, unexplained and pointless move that we now have to go through this process to revert. --В²C ☎ 22:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.