Talk:Sumo

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Mongolian sumo

Doesn't have a ring. Bout ends when one of the fighters falls.

This article, it seems represents only japanesse sumo. It would be good to expand it because the most succesful sumo wrestler in history is a mongolian. 213.149.61.151 (talk) 16:50, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Presumably you’re referring to Mongolian wrestling? That is a separate sport and I don’t think it needs to be mentioned in this article. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:56, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

@Pawnkingthree Haiwain wrestling is sumu too ! 79.144.194.12 (talk) 21:43, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Sumo is popular in Hawaii, yes. Again, don't know if it needs a special mention. Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Height requirement section should be cut

Seems strange to me that this section exists.

• It's definitely outdated. I don't even know what the current height requirement is, but it looks like it has at least been lowered to 167 and 165cm for trainees already. This section only talks about what the rule was at one point in 1994.
• Section is focused almost entirely on a single anecdote about a single person who was never a significant figure in sumo. It seems to me this story would be more appropriate in the Controversies in Professional Sumo article.
• I don't think the height requirement in general warrants being its own section. While it may matter to some 15-year old potential recruits, in reality the existence or non-existence of this rule has little impact on the sport as a whole. Few wrestlers who are anywhere near the minimum limit are able to compete at top levels anyway. Ura is the shortest Makuuchi wrestler in recent times, listed at 172cm, which is well above the the current requirements (assuming it's currently 165cm -- which is what I've read elsewhere though I haven't tracked down the source myself).
• The main thrust of the section ends up being about the JSA banning surgical enhancements to meet height requirements. While it's interesting, it's an exceedingly esoteric topic that doesn't even come close to deserving this prominent position in the main article on sumo. I think of it like, if someone wanted to quickly learn about sumo, what would be on the list of, say, the top 20 things they needed to know? Would the rule against surgically enhancing your height be one of them? (I'm not sure it would be in the top 500.)

Recommendations:

1. This section should be cut.
2. The anecdote about the silicone implants should be moved to Controversies article (if kept at all).
3. The height requirement rule -- if someone can track it down -- should be a sentence or two at most, likely somewhere in the Professional Sumo section.

--Benjaminmorris (talk) 18:46, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Plan for Editing "Sumo"

I want to add a section on the Sumo article for Sumo Wrestler's clothes. Overall, the "Sumo" page is full of information and well written, but it is missing a key section, I feel. Nowhere in the current article, does it mention why Sumo Wrestlers wear the clothes they wear, and I want to add that section and answer this question. I feel that this would make the article more complete and have more information for people looking at this page.

In the section, I plan to tell why sumo wrestlers wear what they wear, how much it cost, and if there is any meaning behind it, along with any other things that come up during my research.

Sources:

So far, I have found a few websites that have useful information. I am still looking for other sources as well.

https://www.livestrong.com/article/483679-what-do-sumo-wrestlers-wear-during-a-match/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2018/11/23/sumo/sumo-101-wrestlers-clothing-footwear/#.XaDHPpNKhAY

https://www.usasumo.com/shop/sumo-equipment/

Jordanwunderli (talk) 18:23, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

History clarification

"Takeminakata was the ruler of the common people and Takeminakata was the god of wind, water and agriculture. Takeminakata challenged Takeminakata for his land."

Something wrong here. Scott Sherard (talk) 02:11, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

fixed. Tigerboy1966  09:56, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

'Grand Sumo Tournament Event' in the Sport Calendar on the mainpage

hello Sumo Fans, please help, someone (‎Greatminton) delete the 'Grand Sumo Tournament Event' in the sport calendar on the mainpage under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events/Sports. he means - non-notable. - maybe 'vandalism'. he only will see sports he like. - ====Sumo==== *Nov 13–28: Grand Sumo Tournament Kyūshū Basho in Fukuoka Kokusai Center, Japan - ... thanks, Sumo-Sport (talk) 21:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Sumo-Sport You're referring to Portal:Current events/Sports/Sidebar? I have little to no knowledge of the Current Events portal. I see Greatminton removed the Kyushu basho as it doesn't have its own dedicated article. The six honbasho are of course notable in sumo terms, but we don't have separate articles for them. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:44, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

First of all, I only commented out it, not erasing it. Second, the link you provided did not directly point to the event you said, so I fixed it. You want me to put it back? Fine. Don't whine. Greatminton (talk) 02:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Life expectancy

The article said "Sumo wrestlers have a life expectancy between 60 and 65, more than 20 years shorter than the average Japanese male". No source was cited for that sentence – only for the paragraph as a whole. In contrast, the first source cited for the paragraph says "Sumo wrestlers have a life expectancy of 65, 10 years less than the average Japanese male." Relative to what that source says, the Wikipedia article is lowering the life expectancy of the wrestlers by a couple of years and is doubling the difference with the life expectancy of the general population. The second source cited for the paragraph appears to say nothing about sumo wrestlers – it is just general population statistics – so its connection to sumo wrestlers appears to be WP:original research. (I did not study its content to see whether it supports the idea that men in the general population have a life expectancy of 85 or more – but I note that there are issues with performing such actuarial comparisons ourselves, such as what age should be the starting point for the life expectancy comparison and survivorship bias.) Three more sources were just added a few hours ago in this edit. Two of them are in Japanese, so I don't know what they say. The third one is a letter to the editor, and thus may be somewhat of an WP:OP-ED or WP:PRIMARY source (and perhaps not especially reliable – e.g. the third sentence of the article is grammatically incorrect and the fifth sentence has a misspelling of "study" as "studie"). It also does not seem relevant to the statement that I quoted, as it does not say what is the life expectancy of sumo wrestlers and does not talk about the relationship of their life expectancy to that of the general population. I suggest that the article appeared to be exaggerating what the sources say – at least what the sources that were cited more than a few hours ago would properly support. There is a big difference between 10 years and more than 20 years, and there is also a difference between 65 and the range from 60 to 65. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:22, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I was looking for sources for this claim, and there appear to have been very few scientific studies done on the mortality of sumo wrestlers. My reason for adding the sources is that they supported the claim that higher body mass was associated with increased mortality. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:16, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Sumu wrestling in other countries

An article about its progress in other countries other than Japan 79.144.194.12 (talk) 21:42, 30 August 2023 (UTC)