Archive through April 22, 2005

Go

Well, I thought that the pictures were showing "traditional go boards"...
Jorge Stolfi 06:51, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Tank disambiguation

I am sorry about the Tank article and the Tank (disambiguation). I have corrected the mess and have come up with a nice little article on the Tank, the town itself. Hope you're content with that.

- Arun Reginald 03:39, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thank you. :-)

Fearless Designs

Haha, don't you just love it when people indignantly accuse you of monitoring recent changes? Keep up the good work! --fvw * 09:02, 2004 Nov 28 (UTC)

I'm surprised you'd create a page like Kimberly Caldwell, with the full text: hello i like your voice ! which I am now about to delete. Or is somebody else using your account to make edits? --Woggly 10:08, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't know what happened there. Maybe it was accidentally re-created when I put on a {{delete}} tag? --Carnildo 10:37, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hmm. Never mind then, so long as it wasn't you! --Woggly 11:27, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Special Relativity

Hi Carnildo, I've supported the nomination of Special Relativity for featured article status. Can I ask you about the issue of whether the second postulate has been experimentally verified? There seems to be some confusion on that point, and I saw you reverted another editor's change about it. Could I ask you to provide a reference? That would settle it. I've asked on the Talk page, but received no response. See Wikipedia:Verifiability for guidance. Many thanks, Slim 21:00, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

You are harassing Sollog over his religious beliefs

Look in the mirror and see what you are, you are a religious bigot for HARASSING Sollog by not putting correct info in his article. You must be a real pathetic person to keep calling someone by a name that insults them. Religious names are not to be toyed with. Sollog is Sollog, anyone who calls him Ennis is a religious bigot. Hi bigot. Look in the mirror bigot.

Yes, shame on you! Go have a look in a mirror. They're very entertaining, all shiny and everything. *falls off chair laughing* --fvw * 10:42, 2004 Dec 17 (UTC)

How very interesting. I don't recall putting anything into the article on Sollog. I do, however, recall removing a great deal of POV editing and link farming. --Carnildo 20:10, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image:Goldbergsanta.jpg speedy?

Hi Carnildo,

I noticed you put Image:Goldbergsanta.jpg up for speedy deletion. As far as I can see, it isn't a Candidate, as it isn't redundant. Also, it appears to be actually used by Bill Goldberg. And copyvio isn't a reason for speedy deletion. (Use {{ifd}} for that.)

Not that I care about some hokey wrestler, but I just thought I'd mention it.

Dbenbenn 03:25, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

When I put that notice on, the image had been uploaded five minutes earlier, and had been used only to vandalize the article on God. Now that it's used in an actual article, I'll put it up as a suspected copyvio. --Carnildo 04:06, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Cayley-Newbirth operation matrix

I wish I had sufficient math knowledge to pull off a hoax like that. Alas, I don't. So, in the meantime, don't get your panties in a bunch. —ExplorerCDT 13:32, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If you don't, then 1) Why did you lie about having sources to prove that it wasn't a hoax, and 2) Why did you make comments on the VFD page implying you had created the hoax? --Carnildo 23:02, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I didn't lie, I misread A&S. I did not intend to imply that. So now, leave me alone.—ExplorerCDT 23:13, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

RfC

What were you planning to RfC for, the disinformation, the personal attacks or both? Either way I'll support, but I can only certify for the personal attacks part. --fvw * 18:22, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)

If I decide to go ahead with the RfC, it'll be for both. --Carnildo 20:50, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Replied to you regarding ExplorerCDT at my talk page. -- Dominus 03:02, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi Carnildo. You might want to augment your links with the corresponding diffs — things change rapidly on the WP, and even more so on the talk/user pages where the user has announced his intentions to delete comments coming from his opponents. BACbKA 08:33, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

How do you link to a diff between a selected older version and a selected newer version, when the newer version is the current version? Just copying the link will give a diff that is always between the selected old version and the current version. --Carnildo 18:52, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a known problem, and reasonably hard to fix. Just make a spacing or other non-significant edit, a revision ID doesn't get assigned until it's no longer the current revision. I think it may be time for an ArbCom case on XCDT by the way, his comments on his RFC this morning appears to have opened the way for fasttracking that. I'm just going to finish my watchlist run and then I'll start writing up an RFAr. --fvw * 13:47, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)

Hmm, well that changes things. I suspect he'll just come back with a new username, but I don't think the ArbCom would be willing to hard block his IP(s). Perhaps it's best to just do nothing and ask a devel to check for edits from the IPs used by XCDT in a few weeks. It should be pretty clear to see if he's stopped editing then, and if he hasn't bad faith will be obvious enough for the ArbCom to block. --fvw * 14:53, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)

MOH recipient list

Carnildo, could you double-check what you did here? Billy Mitchell disappeared; there may be other problems. Blair P. Houghton 00:32, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out; that was the only one I missed. --Carnildo 08:32, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

yer welcome; I like the new org, btw Blair P. Houghton 18:37, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I award this **Editor's Barnstar** to Carnildo for actions related to Autobiography (Ashlee Simpson album), for he has proven that *Wiki masters create value by removing that without*. Gentgeen

Re Barnabas

I spotted your edit: rm {{wikify}}; seems nicely-linked now.

Yes. I did a lot of wikifying, but only in the top third. I did a bit too much I reckon :-).

I also plan to do some layout etc. to what is a pretty incomprehensible rambling article. Best rgds Peter Hitchmough 20:35, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Okay sorry for that you're right.-Flyingcheese 23:51, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

AI

Hi I noticed that you reverted some changes in the Amnesty international page. Unfortunately, any changes entered in that section are quickly reverted by JayJg... with no explanation, except to state that all entries are POV... little by little he then reverts everything to his own version.

I wonder how wikipedia put up with this tendentious and biased character. Kind rgds Otto dia

You might want to refer to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Everyking and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Everyking to see how other incidents of someone claiming ownership of an article have been handled. --Carnildo 18:18, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Simpson debacle part 17...

Hi, just to let you know I asked for opinions on a sentence you restored after my most recent edit of the autobiography album - I'm of the opinion it's worth taking out again but interested to know your thoughts: see Talk:Autobiography (Ashlee Simpson album). Cheers - Worldtraveller 14:44, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Images unsuitable for inline display

Hi. FYI, I put an equivalent bulk vote on the main listings page rather than the discussion page. -- SGBailey 09:38, 2005 Feb 2 (UTC)

Comment Removal

Please don't bite me! The comment removal was completely inadvertant! I was actually working on re-inserting the comments when I got your message. I was editing through jedit you see, and as I'm a n00b at using it, that wasn't going so well. With that edit all I *thought* I was doing was adding an extra line between my comment and the next heading... apparently not. I can assure you that such atrocities will not happen in future. I'd be just as mad if someone had done it to me. I apologise and ask forgiveness. Thank you for your time. [[User:Consequencefree|Ardent ^†_∈]] 10:14, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Belief

Your edit summary involved an odd claim, which I've occasionally seen before. The verb believe doesn't mean having unsupported faith; to believe something is to hold that it's true. For example, I believe that I'm sitting here typing at a computer; I also believe that Einstein is dead, and that cricket is a more interesting game than baseball. Those three beliefs have different justifications (the first is empirical, the second is based on reliable authority, the last is personal experience and taste), and while the first two are objectively true or false, the last is subjective.

In other words, believe is neutral, whereas judge adds a further claim about how the belief was reached. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:27, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Stop Reverting my Edits!!

Why did you remove Constantine Cavafy from the list of Egyptian poets and Marco of Alexandria from the list of Painters and poets and added again the insignificant MTM group that hasn't survived even a year so far!?!?

Stop vandalizing my edits without good reason; you have done it often, don't make me feel its personal! Omar Filini 12:17, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Constantine Cavafy already has a page on Wikipedia, so I guess it makes him notable. And although for some obscure reason Marco's page got deleted. The validity of him being an artist living in Egypt has been proved on a number of pages on google search; so even if there was a close vote on deleting a article about him, it doesnt mean he cannot be on the list???

Marco's page was deleted by the VfD procedure as being non-notable, so a redlink to him in the List of Egyptians is not appropriate, and "List of" articles are usually used as a way of organizing Wikipedia's articles, so external links are inappropriate for them. --Carnildo 19:40, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This doesn't make any sense because he exists and is notable, and I really dont understand why the page got deleted, anyway if this is the logic then every item on any list that doesnt have a page on wikipedia should be deleted!! You didnt explain why removed cavafy from the list? I know that Marco exists and is more notable than and as notable as most people on that list! so I will add his name again with no links if those bother you. Omar Filini 23:51, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

As proven by the information on his website Marco of Alexandria is an existing exhibited artist living in Alexandria, Egypt. I have added many names of Painters, Artists and Businessmen who are less prominent than Marco. The fact that his page got deleted through Vfd last month was apparantly due to the fact that Dr Ali had an online squabble with the person who initiated the vote (dont remember the name); the latter subsequently got all his editor friends to go specifically to that page to vote delete (when they otherwise would not have) most notable of those editor friends was Jerzy who had discussed with the initiator his progres in deleting on the latter's talk page. Anyway I don't care if Dr Ali is a goon or an internet illiterate guy; what matters here is that you are vandalizing my edits!!! I believe that the Vfd was to delete his page and NOT to ban his name from appearing on wikipedia; Also I believe that after a while the page can be rewritten. So your Vfd argument makes no sense and is confined only to the page that has already been deleted.

A Google search for Marco of Alexandria as a painter gives the following 56 results: his website, his deviantart page, a number of web directory entries for his website, and a number of Wikipedia mirrors. A Google search for him as a poet gives even less: seven Wikipedia mirrors, a hit for someone else, and a quarterly poetry magazine published in, of all places, Seattle. That's hardly sufficient to establish notability. For the purposes of Wikipedia, the VfD vote is sufficient to establish non-notability. --Carnildo 21:08, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well if he is published in a quarterly poetry magazine from seattle then that would surely make him notable in the USA. Anyway the results of the google hits you just described above are surely more than the results google would yield if you enter ANY other name on either the painters or the poets lists on that page, but many of those names I entered myself and I know of their notability first-hand from attending exhibitions and poetry reading sessions in Egypt ... They are not however available online for one simple reason; Egypt isnt a strong SOURCE for online information mainly because of the language barrier. The only person you would find by googling would be Cavafy ... Anyway, maybe at his current internet salience level Marco's page may not have passed the VfD, but certainly he merits being on both the List of Egyptian Painters and the list of Egyptian Poets for the reasons you had just mentioned above. Have a great day Omar Filini

A spot check shows that the painters on the list are averaging 250 or so Google hits each. --Carnildo 02:47, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Great Lakes Storm of 1913

Regarding the formatting, the current version looks fine on Mozilla 1.7.5. screenshot here. Maybe you need to clear your cache? If the problem is fixed (either by clearing cache or updating to 1.7.5), post a reply at the FAC page letting everyone know. Thanks. --brian0918  01:11, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I've posted a rather in-depth reply on the FAC page about what's happening with looks. --Carnildo 09:02, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the research. I've replaced the table with a short list and rearranged the pictures. The problem should now be fixed. If it is satisfactory, please support the article and strike-out your objection. Thanks. --brian0918  18:00, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Editing polls

Editing polls while in progress isn't unheard of--ArbCom does it all the time. It can be a bit dodgy when it's an open poll (which ArbCom polls are not), so Cantus was perhaps a little bit naughty. I don't think it's a big deal. He's usually a nice chap, I'm sure the best thing to do is just discuss your concerns with him. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:34, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

If a poll option has been changed, there is no obvious way of telling it other than for someone who is involved to come back and see that it isn't the same, by which point other people may have voted for the changed option, leading to a rather incredible mess. In the case of the ArbCom, they generally inform each other of changes; I saw no effort to do so in the Autofellatio case. --Carnildo 04:53, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Could you update the Autobiography album chart image? We're three weeks behind now. I've been adding the updates into the table on the image page. Everyking 01:54, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'll get to it this evening. --Carnildo 03:01, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Killian

As you have recently expressed interest in this article, please see Talk:Killian_documents#A_poll. Wolfman 18:39, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:requests for comment/138.130.194.229

Hello, thanks for your recent pro-science vote on the talk page of RNA World. The anon user continues to vandalize the page however, so we've begun a RfC page. Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. please see Wikipedia:requests for comment/138.130.194.229--Deglr6328 19:58, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:requests for comment/Stude62

Thanks for your comment on Wikipedia:requests for comment/Stude62. A neutral point is always appreciated. Could you please place the same comment for user:Metheso on the page whose first and only edit is on the page above. I find it fishy but I do not want to comment since my views on who is right and wrong in the disputes on the page are well known to the other parties involved. Thanks. Rananim 22:01, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Senkaku Islands

Found this: (see Feb 9, 2005) Current events in Hong Kong and Macao.

Japanese government announces it will take over a lighthouse set up by a right-wing youth group on Diaoyu Tai / Tiaoyutai / Senkaku Islands. CRHK

Davenbelle 09:11, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

That's the way it was before User:Mdeering edited it. --Carnildo 09:26, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I just thought it interesting; the lighthouse bit might have somehow been his motivation for the changes. Davenbelle 09:29, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

Reacting to the triple naming of the place would explain why he was so insistent on speedy-deleting all the redirects. --Carnildo 22:28, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Proxy Editing

Thanks for you response on Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy), Carnildo. I'd be interested in knowing more about this proxy edit precendent you mentioned. For example, would they count in a breach of the 3RR? How would I go about dealing with an editor using proxy editors? --Axon 04:18, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image suppression

Hi Carnildo I see your Wikipedia:Descriptive image tagging proposal is very similar to Wikimedia:End-user image suppression and Wikimedia:Potentially offensive images. I think a merger and redirect might be in order. Come discuss at Wikimedia:Talk:Potentially offensive images. —Christiaan 21:17, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism/disruption by GerardM

Because of GerardMs disruption and as one who has contributed to meta:End-user image suppression or related articles, perhaps you would like to add your comments, endorsement or otherwise to Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/GerardM. —Christiaan 15:59, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You have been informed of this RfC but apparently GerardM has not. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 13:20, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Return of the Untagged Image project

You were kind enough to contribute to the Wikipedia:Untagged images project; I beg to draw your attention to part 2 of the project - there are about 12,000 more images in need of tagging. Any assistance you could provide would be most welcome. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk)

Goatse.cx external links

Why have you enabled the external links on Goatse.cx that link to hello.jpg? It has been a long-standing policy on this and other similar articles to not enable such links, and provide a nowiki-version of the URL. Could you point me to a place where this practice has been discussed and overturned? - Mark 07:31, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There was a brief discussion about this in the poll about inlining a screenshot of the goatse page, and nobody objected to making the links live. --Carnildo 07:46, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

-kinesis

I was just trying to figure out what to do with all those. Thank you. If you don't mind a bit more work, there's also atmokinesis. --Paul A 04:25, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. --Carnildo 04:31, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your support on WP:RFA. – AB CD 03:15, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Once again, thanks. – AB CD 02:52, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Your vote regarding autofellatio.jpg

Greetings, Mark. I was counting up the votes to see where we currently stand on the vote. I'm having trouble interpreting your vote. You said: "Keep if it isn't a copyvio." The trouble is, that's a highly contested question. Some claim that the image is absolutely a copyvio; others claim it's not. Images of the same actor performing the same act have been found on pay-sites, but that exact image has not been found. How should I count your vote? As keep, or delete, or neither? Thanks, – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 19:12, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

It should be counted as a "keep". --Carnildo 20:41, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Hey Carnildo, thanks for voting for me in my adminship nomination. I very much appreciate your support. Best, SlimVirgin 02:28, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Oh! Mr. Porter! VFD

Hi there--

Another user and I have done a rewrite of the Oh! Mr Porter! article in the hopes of making it worthy of keeping. I'm wondering if you'd take a look at the new article, and reconsider your vote to delete it . Thanks!

Best wishes, Jacobw 18:49, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Autofellatio vote

Greetings. I'm contacting you because you voted to keep Image:Autofellatio.jpg, but you indicated that part of your reasoning was because the image was not demonstrated to be a copyright violation. Someone recently found the image on http://www.wowboy.com/welcome.htm, a porn pay site, with the notice "© WowBoy 2001-2004, All rights reserved". I don't know if this changes your vote or not, but I thought you might want to know. – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 02:27, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)

Rod McKuen

Hi. I didn't merge in the info from the other article because it smells supiciously like a copyvio, though I can't find it. Rick K 05:20, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

I couldn't find anything either, and it was somewhat wikified, which is why I decided to merge it. --Carnildo 05:31, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi!

Care to explain User:Carnildo/watchlist? Thanks! --Santa's Little Helper 03:36, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just a list of accounts I'm keeping track of for one reason or another. Care to explain who you are a sockpuppet of? --Carnildo 04:06, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I was almost positive that he was a sockpuppet of User:Everyking, but their IPs are 160 miles apart. The fact that he's asking you to "explain" your watchlist indicates some prior knowledge of Wikipedia, and his contributions so far (exclusively to Ashlee Simpson articles) indicate that he is probably not someone who used Wikipedia regularly and just decided to get an account. Conclusion: sockpuppet. :) brian0918  04:21, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's what I figured too. The fact that he even found my watchlist -- 45 minutes after I created it, and with nothing linking to it -- means he's either watching my contributions, or doing RC patrol. --Carnildo 05:23, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I clicked on What Links Here, you silly stalker, you 8-) --Santa's Little Helper 05:39, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, it's not Everyking, I don't think. I had someone check the IPs of Everyking and this person when they made edits at the same time, and they were at different IPs, 100+ miles apart. So, either EK is doing some clever trickery (doubtful), or this account is someone elses sockpuppet :) brian0918  06:03, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hey, I can be in two places at once, you know. Physics don't mean nothing to me. Everyking 06:11, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Edit summary

Sorry about that. I meant to put an edit summary (as you can see if you check the history of phase diagram when I merged in stuff), but on phase (matter) I hit the return key and submitted it, and by then it was too late. —Lowellian (talk) 09:41, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

Autofellatio pic

I just wanted to mention that thanks to your undeletion of Image:Autofellatio 2.jpg, the autofellatio vandalbot was able to post it to a few dozen articles today. Good work :) Adam Bishop 17:38, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome ;) I re-uploaded it since the deletion was against consensus. --Carnildo 19:20, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for supporting my nomination on RfA, it failed because of Wikipedia's minority rule system, although I thought 21/8 support was sufficient. It was also cut short by 12 hours. But your vote of confidence is greatly appreciated, now let's build an encyclopedia! --Bjarki 13:51, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Forgotten sig

Hey Carnildo... If you're still awake, check your vote on Crescent School, the signature didn't carry over. -R

Thanks. :-)

Enjoyed your sig

Just say your "new" sig on the Village Pump—very amusing. I especially liked how you gave yourself a featured article star and how "Talk" led to your user page. — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:34, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad you liked it :-) --Carnildo 08:37, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Civility Please

Please respect other peoples right to have a chance to discuss their project. If you want to be sarcastic, use discussion page. Preferably I dont want to hear it. Wait for the voting and vote no if you still dont like the project. --Cool Cat ^{My Talk} 09:56, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Anon nonsense

I add no nonsense. All I add is in my estimate factually correct.

Posted by 4.248.237.153

Adding a line about intestine-rupturing flatulence to Le Pétomane with the summary "corrected minor typos" seems like nonsense to me. If you can back that up with a reference to a work somewhere, then you can put it back in. --Carnildo 02:43, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I mislabeled the edit; most of my edits are corrections of minor issues such as that. The edit here is in fact detailed in "Who Cut the Cheese? A Social History of the Fart" If you think this is not a real book, do a search, you will soon find out it is a real book, in fact. Even if you dispute the accuracy of my claims (which I do NOT agree with) I would appreciate that you do not discribe my contributions as "nonsense".

as for the "unsourced" comment, much on the wikipedia is unsourced, as is virtually the entire petomane article, so please do not be so snide and arrogant.

Also you seem to know nothing of this matter, you just accuse me of "nonsense" based on nothing more than a wild guess. While not an expert I have studied this matter and feel able to make some comments on it.

I just checked your source. As far as I can tell, it says nothing about the manner of his death. --Carnildo 02:57, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I do not know how "print google" works, but nor do I have proof that you have used it to retrieve the work in question.

Do you actually posess, on your person, at this time, the book in question? I find that highly improbable, and consider what you are doing nothing more than wiki-bullying me. I think you are lying and do not have the book at all. Nothing else in this article is exhaustively sourced. In any event, what i mention is on page 87 of the book. Since I have it and you dont, I consider myself more qualified to speak of this than you. It is also wrong of you to lie about this, that you could come to posess the book within minutes of this exchange is extremely unlikely.

http://print.google.com/ is scanned pages from a very large number of books. Page 87 of "Who Cut the Cheese? A Cultural History of the Fart" contains a number of fart jokes. --Carnildo 03:09, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This "print google" you mention only features public domain works. As your link itself states

"you can view the entirety of public domain books or, for books under copyright, just a few pages or in some cases, only the title’s bibliographic data and brief snippets)"

So I am forced to conclude that you are lying. You dont have the text at your ready and are lyign to me.

As the link itself states, and you yourself quoted, "or, for books under copyright, just a few pages". Try the following link: [1]. It's page 87. I can't guarentee it'll work -- Google may have tied that address to my computer or something to prevent me from reading the entire book -- but it's the page I'm looking at. --Carnildo 03:16, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I do not know what you see, I cnanot in fact see anything on this page, all pages are blank or display errors. Nor do I know which edition of the book is used, if it works at all.

Well, I already conceded making an exhaustive sourcing, but I stand by the view that my source was true and my edit was factually accurate, and for diplomacy's sake I agree not to contest further reversions of my edit.

And despite this, just to be arrogant and impolite, you decide to describe the edits as "nonsense" one final time. No need to be a jerk.