Talk:Tokaj (Slovakia)

Well they are not officially considered one region yet. The Slovak wine region still comprises almost 1000 hectares, but in the agreement between the two governments this will have to be reduced to only 560 hectares. Regulations will also have to be applied equally in both Hungary and Slovakia. I suspect it will be a few years before there really is a single wine region. Scott Moore 13:58, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

As far as I remember it was around 600 hectars in the end... Juro 02:25, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Juro, you are right, the 2004 agreement contained 565 hectares. Although the current Slovak government disputes the validity of this agreement and enforces the eligibility of the whole area which is now called Tokajské Oblast. Fifuszfc (talk) 22:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I personally think that the regulations in Hungary to some extent inhibit the production of quality Tokaj wines. The regulations seem to aim to enforce a uniform character to Tokaj wines, which in theory is good for marketing purposes. In practise, they encourage a style of wine which is less suitable for modern tastes and (according to many producers) is not the authentic Tokaj character. I don't know anything about the regulations in Slovakia, but it seems that the Hungarian authorities are stubbornly insisting in applying the current Hungarian regulations to Slovakia. Rather, it would be better to take this opportunity to rethink the regulation of Tokaj wine - and involve producers (both Hungarian and Slovak) in the decision-making process. Scott Moore 09:40, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Scott, you are not right, the Hungarian regulation (or at least the will of high quality producers) is to put the emphasise on differences between the vineyard locations (dűlő). Ask Mr. István Szepsy! Fifuszfc (talk) 22:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I had to correct the statement concerning the alcohol-content of szamorodni/é wines. Due to noble rot (and the materials produced by it) the yeast can ferment more difficultly than in the case of a normal wine. Fifuszfc (talk) 22:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Merge

I suggest the merge of different Tokaj wine-related pages, due to the similarity of the content and the same subject. The current status quo is not a sustainable one, there is only one Tokaj, the same denomination cannot be used for two different products. Language or state borders do not count in viti-viniculture. Fifuszfc (talk) 22:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

A cross-cultural error that shows part of the problem: it's not called "Tokajské Oblast," it is called Tokajská oblasť (like, e.g., Tokaji aszú is no "Tokajeszű").

Sorry for that, I don't speak Slovak, only try to, should have been more precise... :) Fifuszfc (talk) 09:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

As long as there are separate bodies politic, it is legitimate to treat territories within each of them as self-contained units. The retention of "Tokaj (Slovakia)" as a separate page is no obstacle to including (and thus partly duplicating) information about it on another page. A legitimate argument that "Ireland is one island" prevents no one from approaching it as such on one page, along with maintaining separate pages for Éire, Ulster, and for Northern Ireland regardless of any overlap, and similarity of

content and subject matter on those pages. Proposals for their mergers were rejected.

Likewise, Glacier National Park (Canada) and Glacier National Park (U.S.) are similar in subject and content, contiguous, and, of course, the same geographic formation historically, but they, too have separate pages. The English Wikipedia is full of similar instances: no merger is the preferred, very sustainable option with regards to territories divided by administrative boundaries. ilmari (talk) 05:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't agree with you. Altough the border between the two states divide the wine region into two, there is only one PDO Tokaj. So there is no use to have two or more Wikipedia entries on this subject. Fifuszfc (talk) 09:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)