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Discussion for Today
[edit]- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_October_28
October 28
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]Category:Bass drum players
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic for any of these people. As percussionists and drummers, playing the bass drum is a given. Why? I Ask (talk) 06:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional mammoths
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: 3 out of 4 of the entries in this category are redirects. Only article is of a book series and not of a fictional mammoth character. (Oinkers42) (talk) 03:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom but the redirects may still be moved to parent Category:Fictional proboscideans. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Deaths in England by region
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Deaths in England by region to Category:Deaths in England by location
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer Mason (talk) 03:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge higher up to Category:Deaths in England since Category:Deaths in England by location is equally redundant. Note that we usually do not categorize deaths by city anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mohouidae
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Mohouidae to Category:Passeri
- Nominator's rationale: Mohouidae is a monogeneric family, so there's no point in having a category for it. Category:Mohoua is sufficient. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:National artists of Thailand
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:National artists of Thailand to Category:National Artist (Thailand) awardees
- Nominator's rationale: I previously raised objection to the decapitalisation of the category title at WT:CFD, though the reversion process seems to have fallen through the cracks. Anyway, as I mentioned in that discussion, the National Artist title is an award, and directly using the award title for the category does feel a bit unnatural. To compare, we don't refer to Academy Award "Best Actors", but "Best Actor winners". Renaming the category as proposed would better reflect the nature of the title, i.e. its being an award, not a job. Paul_012 (talk) 16:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I think the proposed form matches the general preference at CfD to follow the article title, though I personally dislike parenthesis in category titles when natural disambiguation is possible. So I'll also list Category:National Artist of Thailand awardees, Category:National Artist awardees of Thailand, Category:Thai National Artist awardees, and Category:Thailand National Artist awardees as alternative suggestions. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alternative Rename or Rename Support matching the main article, National Artist (Thailand), per WP:C2D but Category:National Artists (Thailand) seems more succinct. (Would also support the nominated wording Category:National Artist (Thailand) awardees.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:55, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Part of why I want to avoid using National Artists as a noun is because it further leads to the issue of whether it should be capitalised as a proper noun, or decapitalised as a common title per WP:JOBTITLES, as raised in the above-mentioned dispute (which hasn't been resolved). I should probably also tag User:Hey man im josh from the previous speedy discussion. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oops, I thought someone had re-nommed that for speedy renaming to revert the change, since it was contested (after the fact, making it controversial still and meaning it should be discussed). I am indeed weary of it being pluralized because my understanding is "National Artist" is a title, whereas, I believe, based on WP:JOBTITLES, pluralizing it would lead to not being a proper title. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- If no one else weighs in, I'm fine with your proposed rename. RevelationDirect (talk) 19:03, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Part of why I want to avoid using National Artists as a noun is because it further leads to the issue of whether it should be capitalised as a proper noun, or decapitalised as a common title per WP:JOBTITLES, as raised in the above-mentioned dispute (which hasn't been resolved). I should probably also tag User:Hey man im josh from the previous speedy discussion. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus favors a rename, though no clear consensus on what the new name should be. In particular, thoughts on Josh's comment (which would imply lowercase-a "National artist")?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:FL-Class cricket articles of Mid-importance
[edit]- Propose deleting
- Category:FL-Class cricket articles of Mid-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:FL-Class cricket articles of Top-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:FL-Class cricket articles of High-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting
- Nominator's rationale: According to WikiProject Cricket's assessment scheme, All lists (including FLs) are assessed as Low-Importance only. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:21, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Same for,
- Category:List-Class cricket articles of Mid-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:List-Class cricket articles of Top-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:List-Class cricket articles of High-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Vestrian24Bio: You only put the CFD tag on one of the categories. You are supposed to tag every category that is being considered for deletion. Also, I don't think we typically delete categories like these. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Same for,
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: All have now been tagged. Thoughts on the merits of the proposal / is it the case that we don't typically delete categories like these?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:31, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: These categories are automatically populated by the WikiProject template, so deleting them via CfD won't work; it'll only create red category links on talk pages. If the WikiProject standard is as you say, the incorrect assessments should be corrected first. However, I'm not seeing anything to that effect at the linked assessment page. It only says lists are excluded from Top and High class. The mention of cricket-related lists under Low class is only as an example, not a prescription. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Just noting that four of these categories are empty. Liz Read! Talk! 20:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Vestrian24Bio: I see that you manually emptied the nominated FL-class categories into Low-importance, e.g. [1]. If you're sure that you understood WP:CRICIS correctly, you'd have to do the same on the lists. The empty categories could then be deleted. I have no idea whether there is any feature in the meta template for project banners that would allow a quality class (List) to override an importance class that was explicitly specified e.g. as Mid, and force it to use Low instead. – Fayenatic London 15:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see what you mean, I will raise this question at the Module talk:WikiProject banner and see if there's a way to suppress the importance assessment. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Martin has confirmed that it is possible, and I do not read the current discussion as opposing deletion. If you object to deletion, please speak up :)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Endangered species by reason they are threatened
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: This category has long been used for both extinction-threatened species and extinct species. Separating out extinct species is impractical for reasons detailed on the cat page, and would result in a lot of duplication. Extinct species aren't really threatened in the present tense and "endangered species" is also a counterintuitive way to describe them. Alternate name suggestions welcome. HLHJ (talk) 01:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dumaresq, New South Wales
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only the main article and an article about a defunct train station. Unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 13:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Probably merge to Category:Northern Tablelands. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- The main article is already categorised in Category:Towns in New England (New South Wales), a region largely overlapping with the Northern Tablelands. AusLondonder (talk) 15:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on AusLondonder's latest comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dynasties of the Rajputs
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Dynasties of the Rajputs to Category:Rajput dynasties
- Nominator's rationale: Simpler, more concise and more common construct. PadFoot (talk) 16:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Was not tagged; I will do so. If there are no further comments in a week, we are all set for renaming.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Scindia dynasty of Gwalior
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Scindia dynasty of Gwalior to Category:Scindia dynasty
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary disambiguation. PadFoot (talk) 16:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alt rename to Category:House of Scindia per article title House of Scindia. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- That would be good too. PadFoot (talk) 13:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Category was not tagged; I will do so. If there are no further comments in a week, we are all set for renaming.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Slavery by war
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Slavery by war to Category:Slavery during wars
- Nominator's rationale: The contents of this category seem to be related to wars about slavery rather than a category that breaks down Slavery by individual wars Mason (talk) 01:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I meant to keep this category separate from Category:Slavery during wars to keep the supercategory more focused on the subject of wartime slavery in general. AHI-3000 (talk) 02:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and purge, large overlapping. Purge Category:American Civil War, this is not about slavery. Even if one of the primary causes of the war was slavery, the category is about war. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Armenian men by century
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Armenian men by century to Category:Armenian men
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There category only has 1 century in here, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:American Roman Catholic bishops by contiguous area of the United States
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Vague and non-defining. This category name sounds more like a container category, but the contents are individual bishops. Mason (talk) 00:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably Category:Roman Catholic bishops in the United States is a better merge target, though most articles are already in a subcategory thereof. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)