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Somebody should do away with that comment in the article either by researching Serbia/Yugoslavia and finding out whether "war communism" was used in other "Yugo" places, or by clarifying that we only know it was used in Serbia. --Nelson 01:30, 2004 Feb 26 (UTC)

The "or" part of your proposal is unnecessary, since we do must write only what we know and with reasonable precision.

If someone finds the term was used, say, in Montenegro, then he may add "Montenegro" to the list, rather than writing (in a version of the article) in general "The term wartime communism was also reportedly in use during the Yugoslav wars". On the other hand, IMO it could be hardly reasonable to write that "war communism was reportedly used in Strčprstskrzkrkštinska županija of Croatia." Mikkalai 02:09, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Oi! Don't mock our names! :) --Shallot

Actually, "Strč prst skrz krk" is a notable Czech language example of a phrase with no vowel among 15 letters (translation: "Thrust a finger through a throat" or something). mikka (t) 18:31, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Food shortages

Rm nonsense.

This led to food shortages and, along with the bad weather and the effects of the war, to famine. Several million people died, and there were even reports of cannibalism.

The war communism was introduced exactly because of severe food shortages, which, btw started in Russia due to WWI and was one of the major triggers of the Russian Revolution in the first place. mikka (t) 18:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Food shortages did exist before War Communism correct. However, War Communism caused peasants to hide grain or retreat to subsitence farming as any excess grain they produced was just taken off them. This, as you can imagine, caused massive food shortages, hence the concession to capitalism of the NEP which provided peasants with an incentive to produce more grain. As for cannibalism -I'm not sure about that - but millions certainly did die.TDE 20:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

I have just added several pieces of information which I really should cite sources for. Unfortunately, I have two problems! The first is that I am unsure how to put citations in the article - that can be solved by placing them here for someone knowledgeable to do. The second is that some of the points (notably the point about Petrograd and Moscow losing their populations) are in my history notes - but I am not sure what book I got them from! I will endaevour to find the citations for those facts. Collapse of the Ruble, Use of Bourgeoise, Production in heavy industry - see Lenin and the Russian Revolution, Steve Phillips, Heinemann Advanced History, isbn: 978 0 435327 19 4 Many Thanks

TDE 20:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The famine in 1921, as a result of food requisitioning and severe drought, is said in some sources to have created a death toll of around 20 million!The War Communism article has stated 10 million, however the exact figures are not known, historians still speculate, as there is no hard evidence to support either figure. 84.13.60.241 22:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

theories of war communism

Are we entirely sure about some of the principles of War Communism. I've always thought that private enterprise was made Bold textlegalBold text instead of Bold textillegalBold text. Can someone check this? I'll check as well, but it would be nice to know for certain.

informative value or suggestive orientation?

Hi, sorry for my english + being a rookie in wiki issues.

"It has long been debated whether "war communism" represented an actual economic policy in the proper sense of the word or merely a set of desperate measures intended to win the civil war at any cost. [1]"

long debate, actual policy, proper sense, a mere set, desperate measure, any cost... I cant see any precision here. Which party of any civil war in the history can be seen as not intended to win the civil war "at any cost" ? best regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.170.138.209 (talk) 14:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kronstadt PoV

I suggest that we remove the last sentence, since many people object to equalling the Kronstadt sailors of 1917 with the sailors of 1921. This is a clear PoV. (One of the reasons that historians accept against this theory: the first were workers, bolsheviks and predominantly Russians, while the second were mainly peasants, anarchists and Ukranians who mutinied against grain requisition, since all the Bolsheviks went to fight in the Civil War and the sailors from Ukraine had to be transfered to Kronstadt. As well many of the mutineers were prisoners on the island. Lenin was terrified of Kronstadt because he was araid of the inevitable conflict with the peasantry (that was the real reason behind abandoning War Communsim.)) I think we should remove the sentence or modify it.