Talk:Charlotte's Web

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Possible Source of the main character's name?

Possible source of the name Charlotte? - something of an anecdotal tale, but this answer recently came up in a Quora debate:

https://www.quora.com/Air-Travel/Who-was-the-most-interesting-person-youve-ever-been-seated-next-to-on-an-airplane/answer/Scott-Welch?share=1&srid=iWO3

Is it worthy of inclusion?

Vandalism

I removed the follwing vandalism: this guy cant spell haha

"It should be noted that before being published, the book came under heavy fire for its anti-Semetic and anti-African American tones. In fact, Tempelton the rat claimed on page seventy nine: "The farmer is a filthy Jew who won't eat you anyway, Wilbur. It's true", and was also portrayed as a smooth talking black man in the body of a rat, who was often called "nigger" and treated unfairly by the other animals. The book was not allowed on the shelves in most bookstores and was kept in a brown paper bag in the ones that did carry it. Later, the book was edited due to poor sellings, but author I. B. Blight would claim until his death that the black man was constantly trying to keep him down." 66.102.74.46 08:23, 8 June 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More character information needed

I haven't read the book in years, so I'm certainly not qualified to do it, but someone who's more familiar with the story should write up at least a one-sentence description for each character. At the moment it's just a list. DearPrudence 04:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just finished reading this book for the first time since I was kid. The character list here must be from the movie because many of the characters listed here are definitely not in the book and the Zuckerman's farm hand, "Lurvy" and Fern's brother, Avery aren't listed at all. abcgirl 22:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A Series of Unfortunate Events

Shouldn't this article mention the references from Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events to Charlotte's Web? 189.30.4.18 (talk) 00:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, those references belong on the Series of Unfortunate Events page; not this one. Carl.bunderson (talk) 23:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Importance scale

I'm going through some WikiProject Children's literature articles and I noticed that this article was rated High-importance. However, I think that it should be Top-importance, as it's a classic in children's literature. Any comments? Mr. Absurd (talk) 04:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense to me. The article needs a lot of work. I think it needs some indication beyond sales figures of its central place in American children's literature. I tried to add something with the Welty quote, but it deserves some commentary on its style and structure. I had some of what I'm talking about in there a long time ago, but it was just "something I read somewhere" and it's long since been removed as OR. But there must be sources that can be cited with some reasonable commentary. Anyone? Mark Foskey (talk) 03:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign language titles

I've removed the section listing the translations of the title. I think it is sufficient to mention it was translated into many other languages, readers of this article aren't going to care what the title is in every language on earth, and this section was just adding unneeded clutter. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Misplaced focus on films

The rewritten character descriptions seem to suggest that this is an article about two films (for example, comparing only how Wilbur is portrayed in them) when it is more properly about a book. The original characters from the book should be the focus of this article, with variations in the movie adaptations saved for... the articles about those movies. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 02:20, 20 March 2009. (UTC)

Help or Kill Pig

I don't know this book, and - I kid you not - at first thought it was about a spider trying to kill a pig, because of the ambiguity of "about a pig named Wilbur who is saved from being slaughtered by an intelligent spider named Charlotte" --82.171.70.54 (talk) 22:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, still broken. Well, you know Wikipedia.. If it's terribly senseless information.. KEEP IT! If you add obvious facts such as humans requiring oxygen for survival.. NEEDS SEVERAL DOCUMENTED SOURCES OR YOU ARE VANDALISING!!!! 71.102.13.95 (talk) 05:36, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This has been fixed, since its mention on xkcd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaveD-0101 (talk • contribs) 05:27, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The xkcd mention is here, in the image's mouse-over. BunsenH (talk) 16:55, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The fix, however, isn't ideal. I'd propose "Charlotte's Web is a children's novel by American author E. B. White, about a pig named Wilbur, whom Charlotte, an intelligent and friendly spider, saves from slaughter." This way we get rid of unnecessary and awkward pronouns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CG ology (talk • contribs) 19:17, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be an edit war going on about this. My opinion on the edit war is the following: the fact that an external source caught attention to an issue should not keep us from addressing said issue. In line with this reasoning and taking into account the two comments preceding the webcomic on the talk page, I think the ambiguity should be fixed. Moreover, I completely agree with 82.171.70.54: not knowing the book, at first I did not get the point xkcd was making until I read the fixed wikipedia article stating that charlotte was not the one performing the slaughtering. This indicates that the original phrasing was indeed misleading to me and could therefore be misleading to other people too.

I also think the current wording (last revision: 2012-07-28T09:28:05‎) is clear and I think CG ologys proposed edit has a high comma density which makes it look messy. PinkShinyRose (talk) 13:19, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I just read it as stating that E.B.White was saved from slaughter by a pig & a spider. Why not just stop at "Charlotte's Web is a children's novel by American author E. B. White." since all the other detail is repeated in the second paragraph anyway. Lekoshe (talk) 07:49, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say that I find this discussion about the ambiguity of the sentence highlighted by the xkcd comic highly amusing - and the ensuing edit war! Yet in spite of so many trying to remove the evidence, no one (as yet) has bothered with the following sentence which is possibly even more ambiguous: "When the old sheep in the barn cellar tells Wilbur that he is going to be killed and eaten at Christmas, he turns to Charlotte for help." Rednectar.chris —Preceding undated comment added 06:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The links to the article about the cartoon movie are broken, because the movie was released in 1973, but all mentions of it say 1972.

166.137.12.28 (talk) 18:41, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done I reverted the article back to the 1973 dates as that is what the current Wikipedia article is. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 01:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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14.198.13.29 (talk) 09:24, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
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Have done it stop lying 41.116.247.130 (talk) 19:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs a rewrite. Seriously.

"On greater maturity, Wilbur is sold to Fern's uncle, Homer Zuckerman, in whose barnyard he is left yearning for companionship but is snubbed by other barn animals, until befriended by an Araneus cavaticus named Charlotte, living on a web overlooking Wilbur's enclosure."

Look, I realize that writing Wiki articles isn't the easiest thing in the world, but this is pretty terrible.69.138.181.203 (talk) 05:06, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Written in White's dry, low-key manner"...

That is sooooo opinionated.AnimaniacFan21 (talk) 19:57, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Publication date

"The Story of Charlotte's Web: E. B. White's Eccentric Life in Nature and the Birth of an American Classic" (2011) by Michael Sims puts the publication date on October 15, 1952. Rissa, Guild of Copy Editors (talk) 04:04, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Charlotte's Web/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Informative but more picture is needed to be better. KGV 09:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 09:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 11:23, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Creating a Themes Section

Myself and a partner are planning on adding a Themes section to this page, since one is currently missing. We have already found 3 themes so far in our research, but may or may not find more to include. I will include a list of our sources below once I have them compiled. --Amentis16 (talk) 19:19, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Possible list of sources (More to come):--Amentis16 (talk) 21:17, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1- Kinghorn, Norton D. “The Real Miracle of Charlotte’s Web.” Children's Literature Association Quarterly, vol. 11, no. 1, 1986, pp. 4–9., doi:10.1353/chq.0.0418.

2- Mills, Sophie. “Pig in the Middle.” Children's Literature in Education, vol. 31, no. 2, June 2000, pp. 107–124., doi:10.1023/A:1005178904342.

3- Misheff, Sue. "Beneath the Web and over the Stream: The Search for Safe Places in Charlotte's Web and Bridge to Terabithia." Children's Literature in Education, vol. 29, no. 3, Sept. 1998, pp. 131-141. EBSCOhost, ezproxy.valpo.edu/login?url=http://search.ebscohost .com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=a9h&AN=11305724&site=ehost-live&scope=site.

4- Ratelle, Amy. “Ethics and Edibility in Charlotte's Web.” The Lion and the Unicorn, vol. 38, no. 3, Sept. 2014, pp. 327–341., doi:10.1353/uni.2014.0026.

5- Thomas, Trudelle H. “The Arc of the Rope Swing: Humour, Poetry, and Spirituality in Charlotte’s Web by E. B. White.” International Journal of Children's Spirituality, vol. 21, no. 3-4, 2016, pp. 201–215., doi:10.1080/1364436x.2016.1228618.

6- Anne Devereaux, Jordan. "Appreciating Charlotte's Web." Teaching and Learning Literature with Children and Young Adults, vol. 7, no. 2, 1997, pp.32. Night storms (talk) 23:46, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

7) Scully, Matthew. "Tangled Web; A children's classic, and the moral dimensions of animal farming. (The story of Charlotte's Web: E.B. White's Eccentric Life in Nature and the Birth of an American Classic)." The weekly standard. vol. 16, no. 39, June 2011, New York, N.Y. Night storms (talk) 01:37, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- Update**

We have just published what we created for the themes section. Feel free to provide feedback, etc. The themes we ended up focusing on were those of death, change, and innocence. --Amentis16 (talk) 18:16, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

hi Amentis16, great work! the section you have added rounds the article out nicely. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:29, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What Could Still Be Improved On

After having added a Themes section, the article's lead needs to have a summary of that info added to it since the lead is supposed to encompass everything that is included in the article. Also, the article still needs some copy edits to be completed to fix some grammar and sentence structure mistakes here and there, as well as statements that seem opinionated and not neutral. If anyone found more themes they could even add to that! Overall, there is nothing major that is still missing in the article and anyone can continue to contribute to the article and edit it in the future if they so choose. :) --Amentis16 (talk) 18:52, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article could talk more about the conflict in the book concerning killing farm animals. It doesn't really mention that. Night storms (talk) 21:40, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In the "Death" section, the euphemism "passes away" should be replaced with "died." Euphemisms = bad writing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.244.74.98 (talk) 01:47, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 2020-08-25

"Death … of the spider, Charlotte's web.": should end with "Charlotte." Less obviously, I don't think it's appropriate to describe Wilbur as "thanatophobic" while he's in actual jeopardy of being slaughtered. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 00:59, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. AJD (talk) 01:12, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The gigantic turnip — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.216.10 (talk) 10:59, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Franchise.

To be honest, there should be an article about the whole Charlotte's Web franchise. FlapjackRulez (talk) 07:12, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Kansas "ban" rumor

Given it's "Banned Book Week" here in America, I've noticed mention of Charlotte's Web supposedly being challenged by a group of parents in Kansas in 2006. I cannot find any verification of this anywhere. The only information that anyone mentioning it ever provides is the book, the state, and the year. No city, no persons, no date, and no source. At this point, I'm beginning to think it's a widely disseminated rumor that never actually happened. Anyone have any thoughts to share, particularly if you can help verify this matter? 216.168.91.70 (talk) 13:55, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm travelling at the moment and my signal is dipping in and out. I've no idea if these are reliable...

[1]

[2]...doesn't mention the school or district.

[3] - doesn't mention which school or district.

[4]...doesn't mention school or district.

[5]...mentions that they tried to verify the story but couldn't. Knitsey (talk) 15:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are a few sites that I can't access as I'm in the UK. I can't find anything at the moment confirming which school or district this supposedly happened in. Knitsey (talk) 15:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've been finding the same in every search and source I've tried. The Banned Books Week website doesn't include any mention of it being challenged, so it's highly unlikely that the story is true. 216.168.91.86 (talk) 17:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like FFRF can't even be trusted. They awarded someone $750 for spreading this rumor: https://www.freethoughttoday.com/articles/vol-40-no-10-dec-2023/7th-place-grad-student-essay-contest-marah-sabbah/ 216.168.91.86 (talk) 19:41, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's entirely possible that there was a discussion at some point, at a school in Kansas, but nothing came of it. Or it could have happened but the details are lost to history. Either way, if there isn't any source backing it up with details of where and when it happened, then it needs to go.

Give it a bit longer to see if anyone comes up with anything.

Even over here in blighty, the Kansas example is sometimes touted as 'look what crazy Americans get up to'. Knitsey (talk) 20:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]