Talk:Cerro de Punta

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Location of the mountain

The geographical coordinates of the mountain's peak are given as 18|10|21|N and 66|35|31|W on the US Geological Survey's Geographical Names Information System website at http://geonames.usgs.gov/domestic/index.html

The municipalities/municipios in which it is located as given as Jayuya, Puerto Rico and Ponce, Puerto Rico. Backspace (talk) 23:59, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your view may be the case when you take peak to mean "mountain". However, when peak is taken to mean what most people mean, the highest elevation point, this point is located strictly in the municipality of Ponce, and in this regard, multiple usgs publications abscribe both the mountain and the peak to the municipality of Ponce without qualifications. Jayuya does contribute the only access road to the point closest to the highest point of the mountain - and that is a source of confusion to some. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 13:37, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The USGS (a federal agency) state that peak is located in the "Ponce District", anyone that has worked with federal databases (ex:the National Historcal Register) knows about the confusion ("There are no first-order administrative divisions as defined by the United States Government." Puerto Rican law divides the island in 78 municipalities without counties or districts). Several tourist books 1, and the official website of the town of Jayuya states that the location of the Cerro de Punta is Jayuya 1 . --Jmundo (talk) 00:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure how you can translate the assumption of a possible error in terminology as proof that the peak is located in Jayuya. Even if that was the case, the USGS is not the only source supporting Ponce as its locality; there are 4 other sources. And as for tourist guides, they will not only repeat what other, potentially erroneous, sources might say, but will also always point the tourist in the path of "least resistance": since the closest town (READ: NOT municipality) is Jayuya, and not Ponce, they will say it's in Jayuya. Remember Salinas' Las Tetas De Cayey? Though the matter was settled by a court, wikipedia still has Cayey as its location...it's hard to kill an old habit. As for the Jayuya government tourist site,,, well, those folks don't seem to have decided if its called "de Punta" or "de Puntas" HERE, how could we reliably trust this matter to them?... Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 01:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talking about old habits and computers reading, maybe something should be stated in the lead that the access point to the peak is in Jayuya for the absent minded reader like me. Thanks for the explanation. --Jmundo (talk) 03:06, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you look the coordinates as given by the USGS on Google Earth you will see that the peak is within the borders of Jayuya. The island is divided in 8 districts with Ponce being one of them. Jayuya is within the district of Ponce. The US is referring to a district not a county which is the equivalent to a municipality that is why is it says the district of Ponce. I live in the metropolitan area of San Juan so i don't have any attachment to either municipality I just want the information to be neutral and correct which is that the peak belongs to the municipality of Jayuya but most important of all to our beautiful island of Puerto Rico. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.45.231.172 (talk) 04:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The citations clearly state the peak is in Ponce. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 20:45, 31 July 2011 (UTC), and I approve this message.[reply]

And your qualifications for approving it are...?

I personally can't care less whether it is in Ponce, Jayuya or Mona island, but this attempts to be an accurate reference, and if it is to be accurate, three out of the five references point to Ponce's district. A close look at Google Earth shows the borderline including most of the peak's sadly flattened platform in Jayuya. In the interest of fairness, I'll see if somebody from the USGS can clarify... even if the WP poobahs then claim it is original research...Demf (talk) 18:37, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it be possible that the term "District" refers to the region? kinda like the Senatorial District of Ponce? Even the Treasury website groups several municipalities under the "District of Ponce" banner. Thief12 (talk) 06:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We could speculate forever what those 2 "Ponce district" references refer to, but two things are categorically factual: (1) those 2 references do not say "Jayuya district", and (2) the other 4 references categorically indicate the peak is located in the municipality of Ponce. In any event, I am reorganizing the citations to group together the majority of those citations that unambiguously state the peak is located in the Municipality of Ponce and leaving for last those that you seem to find ambiguous. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 17:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC), and I approve this message.[reply]

I was wondering too and checked around. Google Maps shows the location in Jayuya. The PR Enciclopedia English article states this peak is "located on the boundary between Anón ward in Ponce and Veguitas ward in Jayuya". Should the infobox location be updated to reflect both Jayuya and Ponce? I added the links to refs mentioned in Spanish and in English.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 22:40, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's shared between the two municipalities. (See here for Ponce and here for Jayuya.) It wouldn't be a bad idea to state both in the article and in the Infobox, that it's share between the two.

What would be totally wrong is to perpetuate the commonly held belief -- mostly by the poorly informed, but also by some not so poorly informed -- that it's located in Jayuya, and Jayuya alone. It isn't -- period. In any event, since it appears that most cites out there point to Ponce as the location (with a lesser number pointing to Jayuya) a more accurate solution might be to keep the article and it's Infobox as they currently stand, but then to add a note (in the form of {{efn|Most sources state the mountain is in Ponce, but "a few/other/some other" sources state it's in Jayuya}}) declaring that "a few/other/some other" sources state it's located in Jayuya. Mercy11 (talk) 01:19, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Af climate?

In the warmest month, the mean of the lowest and highest temperatures appears to be 21.5C, and that in the coldest month is below 18C. Thus, going by the Koppen climate chart, the top of the mountain actually has a Cfb climate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.84.22.213 (talk) 02:47, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

climate chart

The chart must be shwoing extremes not averages; it shows a 25 F (14 C) variation in the winter months of 41 low (5C) and a daytime high near 68 (20C). Tropical highlands are nominally colder per elevation but still don't have large day or seasonal ranges. B137 (talk) 02:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]