Talk:Princess

Queen Anne's Father

It currently links to James I, but it should be James II. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.239.220.249 (talk) 14:22, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Disputed

Deriving "princess" from "prince's" sounds like folk etymology to me. "Princess" is cognate to "principessa" in Italian, which can't be heard as a possessive of "principe"--moreover the "essa" ending in Italian", "esse" in French, and "ess" in English, are used for lots of other words, and none of them sound like possessives in the Romance languages. --Trovatore 04:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Historical Princesses

Is the said section really necesarry? I mean, there have been many more Princesses (and many of them much, much more famous) then are listed. The most famous princess of them all is brittany belle she is beleived to be the most beautifulest princess of them all she was sent down from the heavens and was known to make flowers grow from her smile she lives a rich style life and has conqured all her fears she is the most amazing princess in this world she is also known as the godess of love and life to be with this angel is the honor of a life time — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.120.200.81 (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't know who that is.. but I do know Princess Diana. I think she's more famous than the girl you listed. MicronesianHelper2016 (talk) 07:19, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Source?

do dey eat. i love princessess and drama queen.

Why are there no references to back any of this up? Without them, this entire article is suspect.

"Princess" in French

In French, Princess is Princesse (PREEN-say). However, the "S" is normally silent in French, such as "Francais (fron-SAY)", which means "French language". --PJ Pete princess is pretty —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.103.4.66 (talk) 05:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Beautiful language MicronesianHelper2016 (talk) 07:20, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Princess Rinnell Gillis

Who exactly is this "Princess Rinnell Gillis"? There's no Wikipage on her, and a Google search only comes back with two hits, both of which are clones of this entry. If this is a real person (and if there's a legitimate reason to include her on an encyclopedic list of princesses), is there a source that can be cited? Benscripps 02:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks like a vanity/hoax entry to me. Unless someone can provide a verifiable source for "Princess Rinnell," I'm going to keep deleting her from the article. PubliusFL 05:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Fictional Princesses

This list is starting to overwhelm the actual article. And the insertion with entries like Mulan, on the basis that "according to Disney she's a princess," it's even starting to have fictional characters who are fictionally princesses (i.e. not even princesses in their fictional context). I suggest that the fictional princesses section either be deleted or spun off into its own list article. PubliusFL 23:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Well just because certain people do not like the fact Mulan is considered a fictional princess it should not be deleted, if anything it could be spun of into it's own article.--Sugarcubez 01:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I really don't think that was what Publius was getting at. I deleted the section, simply because it's irrelevant. It's more useful as a seperate article, and the section was being dominated by "favorites". The princesses listed were simply fan favorites, not composed of entirely notable and influential fictional princesses. If that's even possible. Flutterby Lullaby (talk) 21:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

what do princessess do.

Attend social events a lot and go around shaking people's hands, as well as charitable stuff, I'll bet. And try to keep away from the media, if you're in some tabloid-crazy culture such as Britain, I'll also bet. 204.52.215.107 14:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

A lot of them attend social and charity events, engage in philanthropy, act as cultural ambassaders, attend government ceramonies and functions, represent their country socially and sometimes politically, endorse artists and athletes, etc. Tarheelz123 (talk) 20:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Poor quality

The first part of this article is of rather poor quality. It simply consists of a series of contentious assertions with no evidence to back them up. I think this taints the article's presentation on the topic and gives it a charged tone. The first part of the article portrays princesses as nothing more than some pitiable piece of property. I don't believe that this portrayal is consistent with any common perception of what a princess is or was. Unless people can step forward and provide real evidence supportive of that narrative, I propose that all of the sentences labeled with 'original research' and 'citation needed' be deleted from the first part of the article. I further propose that the first part of the article be rewritten to give a simple and non-contentious overview of what a princess is. Any objections?71.115.24.62 (talk) 14:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Princess Mridula?

Princess Mridula of India is a redlink. I can't find anything on Google about this person. Can anyone back this entry up, or should it be removed? PubliusFL (talk) 16:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Since no one else can come up with anything, I've removed the questionable entry. PubliusFL (talk) 23:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Alternate use for Muslim "queens"

The wife of the King in a Muslim country, when the woman is Muslim, is referred to as Princess even though she has the power and respect of a queen. However if a Muslim King marries a Christian, she is called a queen. --zephrys 23:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Greek Princesses

As Greece has been a republic since 1974, it's hard to see how they have princesses. Apepper (talk) 21:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

There is still a royal family. Infact the Prince-regent of the UK, husband of Queen Elizabeth II of the UK, is a Greek prince.Tarheelz123 (talk)

"feminine form of prince"

This is a question, not a criticism. It says that "princess" is the "feminine form of prince". Is this an even-handed way of putting things? (So, for instance, why does the 'Prince' entry not say that "prince" is the "masculine form of princess"?) Is there some, say, historical or linguistic reason that this is the correct way to put things? DaveLanglois (talk) 15:24, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Not only is the definition of princess ridiculous, it DOES NOT DEFINE the term. Imagine if you opened an encyclopedia and it said, "A prince is a feminine version of princess." You'd be wondering what on earth a prince is. This definition is unhelpful. A princess is the daughter of the monarch, in line for the throne. Wikipedia should be better than this. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 20:46, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Please explain how Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy, Princess Charlotte of Cambridge, Princess Michael of Kent, and so on, are daughters of monarchs. These are just living British examples. There are of course hundreds to thousands of other examples worldwide of princesses who are not daughters of monarchs. DrKay (talk) 21:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Beatrice, Eugenie - Daughters of a prince, granddaughters of a queen. Alexandra - daughter of a prince and princess, granddaughter of a king and queen. Charlotte - daughter of a prince, great granddaughter of a queen. Michael - married a prince who is a grandson of a king and queen. Is it ok if we put a correct definition now? "Female equivalent of a prince" is not a definition. It needs to go. You're contradicting yourself, harmfully reverting edits even after being asked to stop, and following me around reverting anything I write no matter what it is, without even reading what I wrote, hindering any progress. If you claim a princess is a female version of a prince, then it MUST be correct to use the definition of prince for princess and simply change it to female. The definition I wrote was correct: a princess is a female ruler or member of the monarch's family. Princesses are in line for the throne. Princess's daughters are also princesses. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 02:54, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Stop treating me with contempt. I was not wrong. You were. As demonstrated by your now admission that princesses are not always daughters of monarchs, which is what you defined them as. DrKay (talk) 06:36, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Just a guess. Princess was usually a 'title' given to the wife of a prince, way back then. The bit about being 'born' a princess, came later. It was male-dominance world, back then. GoodDay (talk) 16:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Replacing one bad definition with another bad definition is not an improvement. I have restored the original stable version. Per WP:CONSENSUS, previous consensus holds until a new consensus forms. DrKay (talk) 06:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Then make sure you change the definition on Prince to say "Prince is a regal rank and the feminine equivalent of princess." It was already consensus that defining princess as a female prince is incorrect. You reverted it back to an edit that was already decided to be wrong. You are contradicting yourself. If princess is the equivalent to prince, it must be correct to define princess the same way as prince. Otherwise you are saying it's not the female equivalent. Do you agree defining a term about women as "the equivalent of a man but not a man" is unacceptable for encyclopedia standards? It is undefining. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 07:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I've already made clear that my objection is to the claim or implication that most princesses are daughters of monarchs. Most princesses are daughters and wives of princes. A minority are daughters of monarchs and so saying that they comprise the majority is incorrect. Such a claim is not sourced nor is it found in the article body. Indeed, in the article body the opposite is implied. DrKay (talk) 07:32, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Your objection is to the claim that "A princess is a female ruler or a female member of a monarch's family." You reverted that. You do realize a monarch is equally likely to have a daughter as a son, right? That's how biology works. On average, children will be half girls and half boys. Most princesses are the daughters and granddaughters of queens and princesses... A member of a monarch's family. That even includes your definition, because the wife of a prince would be daughter in law to a queen, aka a member of the monarch's family. There is no reason for you to add in "usually the wife of a prince," because not only is that wrong, it's repetitive and weird. Nobody talked about a majority or minority of anything. That was not part of the definition written in the article. What you reverted was, "A princess is a female ruler or a female member of a monarch's family." Explain to us how that is wrong. That's literally what a princess is. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 03:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

No, that's not my objection. Nor have I added, or requested the addition of, the words "usually the wife of a prince". DrKay (talk) 17:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Why does Prinzessin redirect here?

What is a Prinzessin, and why does the Prinzessin page redirect here? Is it a different translation of Princess? Could someone mention Prinzessin on the page and explain how it relates to a Princess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.244.99 (talk) 12:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Prinzessin is the German translation for Princess. Since Germany abolished their royal familie's titles in the 20th century, "Prinz"(Prince) and "Prinzessin"(Princess) became surnames. The 'princes' and 'princesses' are still addressed as "Your Highness" in Germany, but not for being the rulers. They are royal members of Princely Houses. So if you were formally a "Princess of Anhalt" your last name would be "Prinzessin von Anhalt". (Tarheelz123 15:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

List of princesses

There is a crying need for a list of princesses, in the explicit meaning of a living female heir of a monarch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lapasotka (talk • contribs) 23:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Chinese & Turkish

Gongzhu(Chinese) > Kunçuy (Old Turkic) Böri (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Princesses in fiction and folklore

There desperately needs to be a section on Princesses in fiction and folklore. After all, princesses have a much more significant place in folklore and fiction than they do in reality. 97.113.106.78 (talk) 23:24, 28 November 2009 (UTC) There is a book on princess called the princess handbook showing how to be a proper princess. For this book you can be a princess or ot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miles2hip714 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Princesses who marry Princes

I was just wondering what the protocol is when a Princess Jane of X marries a Prince John of Y? Does she keep the Princess of X title and become Princess Firstname of Y, Princess of X? Or would she drop "of X" altogether? This is mainly for some of the granddaughters of Queen Victoria who married into other royal houses. Did Maud of Wales keep her premarital titles (P of W, P of SCG and D of S) after her marriage to Prince Carl of Denmark, and the like? PrsGoddess187 19:25, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

She would be the princess of X and Y MicronesianHelper2016 (talk) 07:21, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 December 2012

PRINCESSES EAT FROGS!!!! 67.184.197.30 (talk) 22:59, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Unknown Princesses

If only we had a page for the princesses from familes who are not famous MicronesianHelper2016 (talk) 06:20, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

i diont know

gamjg vassdx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.100.235.167 (talk) 19:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

We need a definition

Saying a prince/princess is the masculine/feminine version of a princess/prince is objectively not a definition. Princess should be defined. I have taken care to edit the page. I asked a professor who studies this subject specifically if my edits were correct. He said yes, and he advised personally me to edit the wiki articles. However, someone has reverted my edits, and I don't want to spam revert. I am certain my edits are correct after hours of research and talking to an authority on the subject. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 20:51, 1 July 2022 (UTC)