Talk:1982 World's Fair

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Z1720 (talk) 14:59, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

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Fairgoers walking at the base of the Sunsphere, June 3, 1982

• ... that the city of Knoxville in the state of Tennessee hosted the 1982 World's Fair to an estimated 11 million visitors, making one of the most successful world's fairs in United States history? Source: World Class Politics: Knoxville's 1982 World's Fair, Redevelopment and the Political Process. Joe Gadd (1982)
  • ALT1: ... that touch-screen technology, pay-at-the-pump, cordless telephones, and Coca-Cola Cherry were all publicly unveiled at the 1982 World's Fair? Source:https://www.wbir.com/article/news/local/remembering-the-1982-worlds-fair/51-101289897 and This source

5x expanded by AppalachianCentrist (talk). Self-nominated at 16:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC).

• I suppose this is your first DYK entry, AppalachianCentrist. Welcome to DYK. I hope you enjoy it here. Unfortunately, the article that you put forward does not meet the DYK criteria. Please have a close look at the WP:DYKRULES. Under the eligibility criteria, you fall short of 1b and 2b. The former because your expansion started on 13 April, i.e. way outside the 7-day requirement. The latter because the expansion is just under a factor of two and not anywhere near the required factor of five. Under rule 2, you can also find links that work out article prose size for you. I hope this isn't too off-putting and we hope to see you nominate your next article soon. Maybe write a new one? Pro-tip: write articles (or expansions) in user space and once it's done, then publish it and nominate at DYK at the same time. That way you never get in trouble with the "new" requirement. Schwede66 21:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
  • @Schwede66: it does seem a little funky that we incentivize users to develop positive changes out of articlespace so that it can be done in less than a week... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:48, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
    • : And I would say we should put this nomination on hold. The article was nominated for GAN minutes before making the DYK nomination. If GAN passes, it would be eligible. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:54, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
      • Fine by me but I note that it was nominated as 5-times expanded, not GAN. Schwede66 10:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
• Given that it's been a month without any progress on the GAN front (the article hasn't even been reviewed yet), the article can't be passed because it didn't meet expansion requirements. There is no prejudice against renominating for DYK if/when the GAN passes and I highly suggest to AppalachianCentrist to try again when that time comes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
  • The GA review was opened on June 16. Let's hold off to see what kind of progress is made. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
• The GA review passed so this is ready for a new review. For DYK purposes this is now treated as a recently promoted GA rather than a 5x expansion, so if there are no remaining issues this should probably be ready. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:49, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Note that a complete DYK review needs to be done, since a full review was not done previously. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:33, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
• I just love these World's Fair's. I have written articles about people who had their careers started because of participation in expositions like this. This fair is particularly interesting because of the technologies which were unveiled. All in all, a very informative history of the event. I prefer ALT1 as it is interesting to me, and I have added a reference for that hook in the nomination. The citations are inline and spot checking reveals that they are correct with the exceptions noted below. No QPQ is needed. From some cursory research it appears that the Sunsphere was copyrighted in 1982 but not renewed. There are many photos of it on commons, and I was curious to know if it is art or a building? Apparently it is a building because a restaurant is in there. We have FOP for buildings in the United States.

Some items to fix

1. One line in the intro are not supported in the body with references: It was the second World's Fair to be held in the state of Tennessee, with the first being the Tennessee Centennial Exposition of 1897, held in the state's capital, Nashville..
2. The term the edutainment-applied specialized exposition is used in the intro but not referenced in the body.
3. I think we have to use a different term than this colloquial term "chipping in" in this line Most of the KIEE's financial support came from the United States federal government, chipping in an estimated $44 million..
4. I think this conversion needs to be referenced A six-month pass to the fair sold for $100 (equivalent to $281 in 2021)..
5. The reference that follows this line does not support the sentence Panama never occupied its pavilion space, which was eventually occupied by a group of Caribbean island nations as Panama built another exhibit space than the one provided

Great article and hook, I think our readers will love it! Bruxton (talk) 16:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

• I've fixed and expanded the Panama section with more info on their no-show and also added an inflation citation. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
• @Bruxton: I've addressed the rest of your concerns. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 19:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the repairs. I forgot all about the nomination as time passed. The lead is quite long as it should be, and I realize we all do things a little different. I was keeping MOS:LEADCITE in mind. It is not gospel, but perhaps something to read over. Usually the lead summarizes and then the information is detailed and cited in body of the article. I can appreciate the amount of work it takes so satisfy a GA and a DYK nomination. I will not quibble over the format choices. ALT1 is still my choice for a hook. Bruxton (talk) 21:43, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

per the recent problem with "first" hooks, I think this needs a much better source than a local station. I see quite a few newspapers.com references to Cherry Coke pre-1982, and cordless telephones were alive and well beforehand. I don't think ALT1 holds up to scrutiny – local news outlets have a predisposition to claim more glory than they can get away with. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 10:23, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

The cherry coke statement is cited by TIME magazine. Here is a reference for the cordless telephone from the University of Tennessee. Thanks, Appalachian Centrist

• Nice and all, but if I can find references to those things before 1982, then those sources are clearly wrong. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 10:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

• theleekycauldron Official Coca-Cola Cherry is different from "cherry coke" before it which was regular Coca-Cola that had cherry flavoring added by independent vendors. Per this and this. SL93 (talk) 02:06, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
• The first reference here verifies it - " Yet the bottling company has never marketed its own version of the fountain concoction." "Now it has made a better-late-than-never decision to put cherry Coke in bottles and cans, in its first flavored variation of the soft drink. When the company measured the popularity of several cola mixtures at the 1982 Knoxville World's Fair, cherry was more popular than lemon-, lime- and vanilla-flavored Cokes." SL93 (talk) 02:09, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
• While there were cordless phones before 1982, the first digital cordless phone was introduced in 1982. SL93 (talk) 03:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

theleekycauldron AppalachianCentrist ALT1a ... that touch-screen technology, pay-at-the-pump, and Coca-Cola Cherry were all publicly unveiled at the 1982 World's Fair? I have been unable to find a reference stating "digital cordless phone" in relation to the state fair. SL93 (talk) 00:16, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Pay at the pump clip from the fair. Touchscreen in book. SL93 (talk) 00:28, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Pinging Bruxton. SL93 (talk) 00:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I considered this: "And this was pretty amazing — you could actually make a telephone call from a car! Fair visitors were selected to try the technology out. "Hello, David. This is Mike. You ain't never going to believe where I am!" one visitor said to a friend over that car phone, much to the delight of the crowd that was gathered around. Bruxton (talk) 00:33, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

ALT1b ... that touch-screen technology, pay-at-the-pump, car phones, and Coca-Cola Cherry were all publicly unveiled at the 1982 World's Fair? SL93 (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Bruxton Hmmm. The article for car phone says, "This service originated with the Bell System and was first used in St. Louis on June 17, 1946." SL93 (talk) 00:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Pay at the pump says, "Pay at the pump was first invented in 1973 in Abilene, Texas, but did not take off until the 1980s."

• ALT2 ... that touch-screen technology, pay-at-the-pump, car phones, and Coca-Cola Cherry were shown at the 1982 World's Fair? SL93 (talk) 00:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I can live with that. People will read the article and learn about it all. Bruxton (talk) 02:34, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

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GA review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:1982 World's Fair/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 03:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

It's coming...and it's coming soon!

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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@AppalachianCentrist: I am putting this on a 7-day hold, though one item may require more time. To-do: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:42, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

• Copy changes
• Replace dead links and improve syntax of references
• Apply for newspapers.com access for yourself and use it to improve the page with additional citations from Tennessee newspapers (I don't mind assisting a bit on this depending on application slowness)
• Archive references with IABot
• Add alt tags to images
• Remove or otherwise address the licensing issues with two images, one of which requires you to call a library in Minnesota to confirm my suspicion

Copy changes

Lead

• Add comma before "themed"
• Change "eleven" to "11"

Background and construction

• Change "Jake's Fair." to "Jake's Fair". See MOS:LOGICAL
• Some fixes to this sentence: Intent on running for the 1982 Tennessee gubernational election, Butcher pointed that his opponent then Governor Lamar Alexander was a out-spoken supporter of the fair as well. should be Intent on running for governor in Tennessee in 1982, Butcher pointed out that his opponent, then-Governor Lamar Alexander, was also an outspoken supporter of the fair.
• in preparation of the fair change "of" to "for"
• Remove comma after "Great Smoky Mountains National Park"
• China's participation proved as a historical moment given the country's shift into a more capitalist economy, and the KIEE being the first exposition involving China since 1904. — tidy a bit. Suggested: China's participation proved historic given the country's shift to a more capitalist economy; the KIEE would be the first exposition involving China since 1904.
• Soviet swimming invitation: "relinquished" or "rescinded"?

Fair operations

• "Energy Turns the World." see Jake's Fair note
• "October 31st" → October 31
• The Rubik's Cube remains in World's Fair Park, where it has been displayed in the lobby of the Holiday Inn located adjacent to World's Fair Park. wordy and redundant sentence
• Noting here: the fireworks display sentence will need a citation to meet DYK requirements
• change "flavored Coke mixtures" to "flavors" to avoid an awkward hyphenation need
• Remove comma after "car phone"
• then on-going → then-ongoing
• The Knoxville-based fast food chain, Petro's Chili & Chips remove "the" and the comma
• "exhibition" shouldn't be capitalized for the NBA game

Difficulties

• Add comma after (UAB) to complete the appositive

Legacy

• the festival is debuted on May 14, 2022 reword
• Change "would open" to "opened"
• May 20-22 of 2022, change to "May 20–22" and consider consolidating with the paragraph before it

Collectibles

• Change "six-million" to "six million"

References

This is where I have some concerns. You should also archive all references with User:InternetArchiveBot. Also consider running a date script.

Dead links

There are some dead links and references that need expanding.

• Ref 29 (TIME 1985) — expand with further info
• Ref 34 — provide full info
• The NewsBank links are dead but I can likely source the articles through Newspapers.com (more on this below)
• Ref 39 is permanently dead and of uncertain origin. A possible replacement clipping is attached here:
• Ref 43, a citation to a WKXT-TV news story from 1991, could probably be replaced with a verifiable source.

Newspapers

This article is crying out for more sources, and honestly, it's crying out for sources through newspapers.com. Did you know that you can get resources through The Wikipedia Library and even apply for newspapers.com access, and you meet the editing criteria? Three years ago, I was recommended at DYK to get newspapers.com through TWL. It supercharged my Wikipedia career—29 GAs (with more than that in the pipeline) and 366 DYKs since March 2019. And it will do the same to you, with the News-Sentinel, some years of the Knoxville Journal, the Tennessean from Nashville, and the Commercial Appeal. The Knoxville and Memphis papers are fairly new additions but have already led to major projects on my part: WVLT-TV (GA), WEMG (Tennessee), WLOK, among others.

It will likely lead to substantial new finds and material to improve this article just to have the News-Sentinel, from experience in this market. For instance, from my WVLT-TV work, I can tell you that WTVK was the official station of the fair and even did a daily show from the Sunsphere (that lasted for a few months after the fair closed!). I'm exploring an article on United American Bank. The reason I've become so prolific is because I have such a great information source to improve broadcasting articles that were really in a backwater of Wikipedia.

Once you get access, the PressPass Greasemonkey script for Firefox makes most of the process of generating citation markup automated (except for authors and section-page numbers).

Source checks

• Ref 3: Checks out to describe the 1913 conservation expo
• Ref 8: Checks out
• Ref 20: Provides the reference for San Antonio's attendance. Is there a spreadsheet or single source that can replace the nine straight references in this area?
• Ref 30: Supports MOST claims but not the 2007 reopening of the Sunsphere
• Ref 45: Checks out
• Ref 46: Checks out
• Ref 53: While it supports the fact that there's been a flurry of anniversary coverage, it's not...much of a source for what it's being used for. It's a photo album.
• Ref 56: Supports the relaunch but says it was limited-time. Is there another source that says it's still being made?

Copyright

• Earwig flags a Flickr photo description at 91.8 percent, likely someone copying from us for their photo. Most of the other things it catches are organization names and quotes.

Images

Two images present possible issues:

• File:1982_World's_Fair_model.jpg was uploaded by a user tagged on Wikimedia Commons for engaging in "license laundering" for images that are copyrighted. It is impossible to discern if the images come from a brochure or other item with a copyright notice. It may not be appropriately licensed—I suspect not.
• File:Touch screen tech exhibit at Expo 82.jpg is absolutely baffling and I can see why it hooked you. The source you got it from mentions CC-BY-SA for some sort of tag functionality but not for the image. The source, https://umedia.lib.umn.edu/item/p16022coll91:140, is the Charles Babbage Institute at the University of Minnesota, which has the Control Data Corporation records and indicates, The Charles Babbage Institute holds the copyright to all materials in the collection, except for items covered by a prior copyright (such as published materials). Researchers may quote from the collection under the fair use provisions of the copyright law (Title 17, U.S. Code). Where things get funky is that the listing indicates the photo may indeed have been published: Children at terminal; Contact article May/June 1982 Anecdotal evidence indicates that Contact was a magazine produced by Control Data, probably an internal one. I suspect someone has copyright here, but the status is so unclear my only recommendation to you is to call University of Minnesota Archives and Special Collections (phone number 612-624-7469) and ask someone.

• If Control Data's Contact did not carry a publication notice, this may be permissible, as this is pre-1989 work. However, the magazine is not available in the Babbage Institute files.

Captions look good, at least. Also, all images need alt tags.

References

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I’m glad this got gooded—it was a very enjoyable read on a topic I knew nothing about! jengod (talk) 13:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)